• undergroundoverground@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    They’re fascists, not nazis. I’m not saying that to castigate you but to make your point bullet proof.

    Nazis are a very specific kind of anti Jewish (amongst other things) fascists.

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      11 months ago

      “Nazi” is more a colloquial term for “fascist who’s actually been allowed to practice their cruel and senseless fascist policies”, imo. Not someone saying that Israel is literally following the politics of one Adolf Hitler.

      So yeah, in essence, these Israeli Jews are nazis, however ironic it sounds.

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        11 months ago

        Nope, nazi is a specific term for a specific kind of fascist. Dont get me wrong, there are plenty of people who don’t understand the words that they use but thats not the same things as them being correct.

        So no, the Israeli government are not nazis and only a moron would think that they were.

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          11 months ago

          The word “fascism” comes from Mussolini’s ideas and was later used to denote any political system with similar ideas. I think the use of the word “nazism” has been generalized in the same way.

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            11 months ago

            Yup, facsism is the umbrella term under which the different facsist groups, like the nazis, fall under which is what I said already.

            I know people who think god is real. They too are mistaken.

            Are the Israelis murdering Jewish people on mass? If not, they’re not nazis.

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              11 months ago

              Are the Israelis murdering Jewish people on mass?

              I mean, sort of by proxy they might be inspiring a bunch of hate crimes, and I wouldn’t be surprised if their actions on sort of a broader geopolitical scale are inspiring a kind of antisemitic cycle of violence, but I dunno if I’d say that makes them more specifically “nazis”, in like, the 20th century hitler ideology sense.

              In any case, don’t be a linguistic prescriptivist, it’s cringe.

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                11 months ago

                Lol what you mean is “no, they’re not killing Jewish people on mass that way that nazis do.” Don’t worry, anyone reading your comment will sew thats what you said.

                No, words mean what they mean. They dont mean whatever the hell you feel they should whenever you feel like it. Its also antisemitic as fuck to call Jewish people nazis, due to the specific nature of nazis.

                We can descend into literary anarchy, if you like but I think you’ll find it quite to be quite chocolately and up side down very quickly. BTW, I’ve just decided that chocolately and up side down now means frustrating and tedious. You must accept this or youre a cringy linguistic prescriptivist. Or is it only OK when you do it?

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                  11 months ago

                  No, words mean what they mean. They dont mean whatever the hell you feel they should whenever you feel like it.

                  Like he said, don’t be a linguistic prescriptivist. Until you understand what that means, you can’t discuss this further.

                  Its also antisemitic as fuck to call Jewish people nazis, due to the specific nature of nazis.

                  Oh no, no-one’s talking about Jews. Jews are a lovely people. We’re talking about Israelis and their government. The Israeli people do not own the Jewish religion. Saying that calling Israeli fascist nazis is antisemitic is beyond pathetic.

                  No, Israel can’t hide behind the “but but the Jews suffered so in WWII”. No, it’s not an excuse to commit a genocide.

                  Yes, the Israeli government are nazis. Small n.

                  BTW, I’ve just decided that chocolately and up side down now means frustrating and tedious.

                  Get millions of people to actually use that as a phrase, and it is what it will mean. That’s how language works.

                  “Rizz” is a correct word already. As is using “literally” for emphasis. Just because you’re still stuck in your “but I’m 13 and don’t know how to google ‘prescriptive’” ways doesn’t mean language isn’t constantly evolving and that this evolving can be whatever. And that whatever has been documented a lot of times.

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                    11 months ago

                    I understand it just fine. You just don’t like having your bullshit called out.

                    Saying that calling Israeli fascist nazis is antisemitic is beyond pathetic

                    Calling any Jewish person, be it Israeli or otherwise, a nazi is antisemitic, per pretty much every definition of antisemitism in the English speaking world. I know, I know, you like making up your own meaning for words but the rest of us need don’t do that.

                    Yes language is always evolving. That doesn’t mean words mean whatever you want them to mean and it doesn’t mean that calling Jewish people nazis isn’t antisemitic.

                    “My use is correct, as prescriptive words exist”

                    Well, you can’t argue with that kind of “logic.”

                    Why are you so married to calling the israeli government nazis? You could just call them facsists which would be correct and not fall under most people’s understanding of antisemitism but you refuse. Why is this?