• NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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    8 days ago

    That’s… interesting… I don’t know about Bill Clinton, not too familiar with that part of American history, but Gore? Gore won but didn’t demand a recount of Florida. Obama relied on leftist policies and wiped the floor with the GOP. Hillary lost because she was a “hold your nose and vote for her” centrist, not because she relied on leftists what the fuck are you even talking about? Harris did the same thing as Hillary and predictably lost.

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      7 days ago

      and even the biden win was just stupidly close given trump literally drove your whole country head first into the top “fucked up the pandemic” spot

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          7 days ago

          Go look at the numbers, particularly Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona. Biden won those states, but by a razor thin margin. If he had lost those states, he wouldn’t have won the electoral college. It would have taken less than 50,000 votes in those states flipping to Trump to change the outcome of the 2020 election.

          Of course, that’s just the electoral college. Biden won the popular vote by a pretty comfortable margin.

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      7 days ago

      Obama stayed vague and relied on hope and energy. It was enough after Bush’s disastrous wars.

      More on Obama: So he enacted the ACA. That’s great, right? The thanks Obama got for that was to lose the House of Representatives for year 3 and 4. And lose the House of reps again for years 5 and 6. And then lose both the House of reps and the Senate for years 7 and 8. He enacted left policy and: The left never showed up.

      Hillary Clinton: So what did Hillary learn from the last 6 years of Obama? She learned that the left never shows up. So she only stuck her head out with a big position to left on the map room to climate change. She basically declared war on climate change. You know that big existential issue that all the leftists care about, right? The big important issue that the left says they want so badly, right? And guess what happened? Bam she lost. Thanks protest non-voters! Aka: The left never shows up.

      Harris quite literally tried to copy Obama’s hope and energy strategy. She literally hired Obama’s campaign strategists. But it didn’t work because “it’s the economy stupid”.

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        7 days ago

        Economy is always first. You’re right that’s what you need to focus on to get the center. But you also need to be left enough to energize the left to get over the Rs own center and right voters.

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          7 days ago

          This election showed the left 1) will literally never, ever show up, or 2) does not exist. There won’t be a left platform for fucking decades.

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            7 days ago

            I mean 2020 is contrary to that. I think leftist “culture” wars are simply not important enough to voters. Leftist economic policy is.

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              Biden didn’t run a left campaign, he ran straight center. He didn’t stick his head out at all.

              He did some left things while in office, and what did that get him? Polls said he was going to lose. Aka, the left never shows up.