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Summary
Vladimir Putin responded to Ukraine’s US-backed ceasefire proposal by imposing strict conditions, including a halt to Kyiv’s military aid and mobilization, while continuing Russia’s own rearmament.
His calculated stance prolongs negotiations without outright rejecting Donald Trump’s initiative, which seeks to end the war while pressuring Ukraine.
Putin also demands Ukraine’s demilitarization, exclusion from NATO, and recognition of Russian territorial claims.
Trump, with limited leverage, may shift toward aligning with Putin’s terms. Meanwhile, Ukraine fears the ceasefire could allow Russia to regroup and intensify its offensive.
Trump doesn’t care, but on the other hand I really don’t think he is a Russian asset.
Russia is playing their negotiating well. They have projected strength and total commitment to their claimed goals. They were able to do it, because of the diplomatic blunders by the Trump administration. Until now US have not said anything about Russian concessions. They were mentioned, but nothing specific.
On the other side, the Ukrainians will never accept anything close to what the Russians want. Even if America tries to force the conditions on them, they will still have some support from Europe.
Trump wants this. I mean, let’s get serious, if he does it, he could legitimately expect the Nobel prize. I’m not even joking, if he does, he would be an idiot savant of peacemaking. It’s highly unlikely though, but what is his way out?
The support from Europe is not enough for Ukraine to survive.
Maybe it could be, if EU countries actually start up the military production as so many leaders are promising.
Maybe, but even then it would take years to actually ramp up the military production.
Yes. Best case scenario it would be terrible if the US cut off Ukraine. But I think with a generous transition time eu could do it.
Could do what? By the time European military production is up and running Ukraine will be mostly Russian.
With current progression rate, Russia will need more than 50 years to capture whole of Ukraine.
Trump does not have the cards to force a peace deal, or the skills to negotiate one. Ukraine and Putin are simply too far apart to meet in the middle.
I’m convinced Trump is chasing the nobel peace prize because Obama has one and he’s still butt hurt over it.
Only a cuck would concede anything to Putin, and Trump is king cuck.
Thats completely naive. Reality doesn’t work like memes. People are dying, lives are being destroyed.
Ukraine doesn’t have much a choice because they’re losing the war.
Part of losing a war is making concessions with the victor. Sorry you’ve been so propagandized to believe that it’s impossible for Ukraine to lose.
There are concensions and then there’s functionally disarming so you can be attacked even more easily in 5 years.
What do you mean “more easily attacked”?
Ukraine losing the war means it’s no longer a sovereign state.
I’m sorry, but saying that everyone else who doesn’t agree with you is propagandized is at least lazy if not childish and trolling behavior.
Ukraine is still in it, they are holding of the invading army, which has in the last year only managed to occupy less than a percent of Ukraine and even that has largely stopped. At this rate, if Russia could keep it up, they couldn’t achieve their claimed goals for decades. And there are all the reasons to claim they won’t be able to keep it up.
There is no sense to give to Russia concessions, the Russians cannot take by force. Usually it’s the other way around.
You != Everyone else
Yeah, you’ve been propagandized hard.
No, you have been propagandized harder! 🙄
Did you also think Ukraine was going to retake Crimea?
Do you have putins picture over your need?
See, both of us can play this dumb game.
The war is still being fought. No one has won.
Sigh.
Definitely not skills. But both sides in the war want to have a strong start to the negotiation. Ukraine might give up Crimea officially for NATO membership. Russia will do anything that will look like they won.
NATO membership is off the table.
Its the start of the negotiation, everyone will take positions, but might change them. I don’t think Nato is really an option, but they might avoid this and make individual 2 party agreements between Ukraine and Nato countries that would serve as a sort of replacement for actually admitting Ukraine to Nato.
I don’t see Russia accepting that.
Without giving Ukrainians real safety guarantees, they will never stop fighting. Russia knows that. If they don’t accept safety guarantees they are saying, they want to war more.
They will never stop fighting? Ukraine can’t win a war of attrition against Russia.
We can already see that is not the case, if the west continues to support it.
I disagree. Ukraine is currently getting routed and they will announce their surrender this year if the US continues to withhold support.
The thing about war is that each death makes it harder to fight back. That results in more deaths, which makes it even harder, and hopefully you get the idea if you’re not a useful idiot (sorry this last part needs to be said, but there’s a lot of useful idiots running around these days.)
A country can be losing but in an existential conflict seem to rarely outright surrender. Ukraines position, while dire, is far stronger than the talibans after the US invasion of Iraq. 20 years later, they were still fighting and ultimately prevailed.
In my mind, this Inevitably is in ukraines future if allies don’t continue to materially support Ukraine - either way the Russian occupation ultimately fails, the question is does Ukraine defend itself and remain a sovereign nation or do they fall and an insurgency later force it’s reinstatement.
The difference is Iraqi did not want to be under US occupation where large parts of Crimea and the Eastern regions do want to be independent / under Russian influence.
It is not about Trumps skills. My guess is that there might have been a deal, if Trump didn’t get in the way of his advisors by posting on social media and going off script in interviews
This comment is mentally challenged
Not really. You’re probably not used to people having their own ideas, though.
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