What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation | US education | The Guardian::Teachers say mobile phones make their lives a living hell – so one Massachusetts school barred them

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    10 months ago

    Crazy how people otherwise firm supporters of freedom of speech and freedom of tech suddenly change their minds when the person involved is under 18.

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      10 months ago

      Are you unfamiliar with the principal that things which are appropriate for adults are often not appropriate for children?

      • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        10 months ago

        According to the United States, it’s appropriate to imprison children for delinquency that is things that are criminal for children that are not criminal for adults.

        So no, I have little faith regarding what my society decides is right for kids.

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          10 months ago

          I have no idea who you got from what I said to what you said, and I don’t want to.

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            10 months ago

            The notion that some things may be inappropriate for kids is easly misused when it’s turned into a principle and as such we end up where the US is now, withholding civil rights from children and using child safety to push identity politics.

            I do hope you are not a parent.

            • arin@lemmy.world
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              10 months ago

              I wish we have restrictions based on mental capacity rather than age. Fucking dimwits aged 40+ can’t think better than elementary schoolers

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              I hope you aren’t either. You probably try to make everything into a political diatribe.

              Actually, I hope you don’t have kids, because you are clearly not a parent, regardless of whether you’ve been able to spawn.

      • JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee
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        I’m familiar with the sad fact that many people believe that. Knowledge should never be age restricted. If a kid doesn’t want to learn about, for example, sex, and finds it gross, that’s one thing. An entire society conspiring to keep them from knowing about it till they’re about 11 is quite another.

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          10 months ago

          How about restricting children from driving cars?

          A phone is a tool, not knowledge. Kids can find all the knowledge they want without having phones on them at all times.

          • asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world
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            10 months ago

            I think a lot of comments are thinking about this as a binary, or that it’s actually about if children should have phones or not.

            As an adult, there are plenty of places I’m not allowed to take my phone, or at least must completely power it off. Concerts, court rooms, libraries, hospitals…

            These rules are there only because it disturbs others if my phone rings or I’m talking.

            That applies to schools, too, but even moreso. It also opens the door even wider to cheating in various ways.

            While it is important to try to teach kids to regulate themselves, the fact is that there are still frequent phones going off at concerts and annoying people talking loudly in libraries. Schools are much more serious in nature - it can affect test scores, for example.

            It’s also naive to think that all students / schools can just be taught to make responsible decisions. Many schools, especially inner city ones, are complete disaster areas. It’s hard enough as it is to get the kids to even stop talking, or sit down, or stop assaulting others.

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          Yes, that’s why I’m completely fine with my kids watching online videos of ISIS prisoners being burnt to death in a dog cage.

          Can I ask if you have kids?

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              That’s a strange comment. There’s obviously a difference between a 16 year old and a 4 year old (I have both). Are you saying because my 16 year old is curious and gets sent shit by her friends, I shouldn’t try to filter what my 4 year old doing?

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                once you no longer have eyes on them outside your home it is pretty much over

                4 year old is fine, by 5 or 6 good luck unless you are home school helicopter parenting them

          • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            Given how responsibility for much of the violence in the world falls at the feet of the society that is deciding how to censor information from our kids, I find it quite appropriate that they have access to terrorist executions and cat killing videos.

            The US gives few fucks that such videos exist, or that our society was built on massacres and slavery. We just don’t want our kids to know the grim legacy that they’ve been given.

            Considering kids today are going to be middle aged when the climate crisis catches up to us, it raises questions of ethics what people were doing having kids in the first place.