The american voters have really outdone themselves this time

    • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
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      13 days ago

      The only pathways are direct voter ballot initiativesmin the states that have them (only 26 states do) and progressive candidates and voters flooding the Democratic primaries to take over the party.

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        voters flooding the Democratic primaries to take over the party.

        And this is how you have to do it in a two-party FPtP system.

        That’s exactly how the Tea Party turned the GOP into the mess it is now.

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          13 days ago

          Yup. That at the Koch brothers pouring millions mostly into state and federal legislative races rather than focusing on the president.

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            Absolutely nothing… hence the It needs to change bit.

            Realistically it’s the same question I could pose you saying just play the game… What exactly does picking the “lesser of two evils” net us? A race to the bottom. It’s not ideal nor does it work. The most recent election is a perfect example of this.

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              MAGA played the game better than liberals. They got Trump. He’s effectively a third party candidate. Republicans hated him. But liberals whine about “lesser of two evils” while maga voted.

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                Republicans hated Trump during (and only during) his initial run for the presidency. He was a grifter saying whatever he could to get a vote and his platform seemed threatening to them initially. Once they realized how easy he was to control they had no issue with him. He’s a useful idiot who thinks he’s winning a game of checkers when everyone else is playing chess.

                Speaking of games - as far as I can tell MAGA isn’t playing any game at all: they are simply a hate group with a figurehead.

                …but I’ll bite - what game do you think they are playing?

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                  Republicans hated Trump during (and only during) his initial run for the presidency.

                  Yes, that is my point.

                  Speaking of games - as far as I can tell MAGA isn’t playing any game at all: they are simply a hate group with a figurehead.

                  “Playing the game” is a figure of speech.

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                    “Playing the game” is a figure of speech.

                    I’m keenly aware. But, as you are likely aware, your utilization of said figure of speech implied a stratagem being was being employed and/or that it was a functional one. It did of course have the possibility of meaning “continue down the broken path” amongst others. My initial comment clearly implies this was my interpretation of it. Based on your reply - I had little reason to assume that your figure of speech, which carries a broad variety of meaning in this context, differed from said interpretation. In fact: you supported my interpretation with your follow-up comment which is exactly what led to my response.

                    Yes, that is my point.

                    Forgive me, I’m confused as to what your point was then. Your figures of speech seem to have muddled the water enough to make this conversation cyclical… so perhaps some clarification would help. Care to provide some insight on the two times you used it?