Think of all that tobacco farmland that could be converted to food crops
You want to convert something to useful land? Get rid of golf courses.
And livestock
Livestock is more useful than tobacco and golf courses
Debatable. Depending on the golf course location and management, there could be an argument for them at least providing some space for biodiversity.
Tobacco doesn’t produce as much of use, but also doesn’t come with the same methane emissions, or slurry runoff.
Which golf course isn’t an artificial mix of sand, roads and monoculture full of pesticides? I would guess they also have traps against wildlife that may damage their perfect loan.
I was definitely thinking of a hypothetical golf course; I’m not under any illusions that the vast majority are biodiversity deserts.
Millennials killing the tobacco industry
I quit cigarettes, alcohol, and marijuana. Yay mood swings and anxiety! (Don’t worry, I know it’s for the best)
Worst thing about alcohol imo is that I can never do anything really productive. Like a beer or two and instead of idk, reading or making something or programming I’ll just be doing nothing. Takes my focus right out
The industry interference: Here have more of the stinky cancer paper tubes that don’t do anything but make you addicted then sooth the addiction.
That’s not the only thing they do. They also reduce your capacity for work… and life. I have a reason to believe that people dying from “overwork” are actually because:
- People work (and play) more when they are young and in school etc.
- Get used to their ability to work as much and subconsciously set a mental bar.
- Get into office space full of secondary smoke / start smoking
- Smoke reduces their ability
- They don’t realise their reduced ability and keep on working as much as previously set bar.
- dedz
Just a hypothesis. No scientific backing.
… other than first hand exp with reducing ability to work after long term exposure in a heavily contaminated environment.
There is a high from nicotine, it just goes away so quickly as you get addicted.
It also goes away quickly when not addicted.
Source: tried nicotine, was disappointed.
Good
Fuck cigarettes. Vaping is the new thing now 😎
Edit: woah, I meant it as a joke. Guess I deserve all the downvotes for not clarifying.
Fuck cigarettes AND fuck vaping. I fucking hate how many people vape at gigs and in line to places. Like fuck off, don’t bring me into your bad decisions, keep them to yourself.
Yeah at school I see people vaping all the time. Just saw somebody on campus the other day take a huge huff of it the other day. Those things are huge. I keep thinking it might even be more dangerous than regular cigarettes probably because of its gargantuan size and the ease to just suck up a cartridge without a lighter.
I definitely think because of the ease of vaping people use it to a greater detriment than they would if they just smoked cigarettes. No matter how much better a single vape puff is compared to a cigarette puff, for some, one in every ten breaths is around their vape it seems. That, long term is going to fuck shit up, surely.
I definitely think flavored vapes should not exist. The point of e cigs and vapes were to transition tobacco cigarette smokers to quit smoking. Having flavored vapes with shiny packaging appeal to little kids a lot so they’re keeping addicts on with nicotine in another form and introducing younger generations to more dangerous habits. These things pop up in middle schools and high schools all the time, sometimes even in elementary. It’s a terrible issue for schools around my area.
You know who the VAST majority of people using flavored vapes are? Adults trying to quit smoking.
The flavor makes quitting easier for adults both by making the vape taste good AND by making cigarettes taste much worse in comparison.
When I first started vaping many years ago when the technology was in its infancy, I started with tobacco flavor. The taste being almost the same made it much more tempting to go back to cigarettes since they have additives in addition to nicotine to make them more addictive.
When doing flavored vaping though? Taking a drag on a cigarette tastes absolutely AWFUL. As bad as it tastes to someone who’s never smoked before, if not worse.
Without flavors there’s a big chance I wouldn’t have been able to quit 3 years plus change ago and I’d still be smoking today, shortening my life by decades.
Banning adult smokers from buying flavored vapes WILL kill people by making them unable to quit smoking.
And as for kids, guess what? In every country that has even CONSIDERED banning flavored vapes, it’s already illegal to sell vapes to anyone under 18. So in stead of killing a bunch of adults by taking away their best chance of quitting, you could just enforce the laws that already exist!
I agree with you that inconsiderate vapers need to fuck off, but when used for its intended purpose, helping adults quit smoking, vaping literally saves lives.
I tried every other smoking cessation method including prescription medication for 10 out of the 18 years I smoked but it just didn’t work for me.
Then I went from cigarettes to vaping high nicotine to gradually tapering off until I was vaping nicotine free and then not at all. I haven’t smoked OR vaped for over 3 years now.
Vaping is not intended as a smoking cessation product, it is a cigarette alternative. It happens to help people quit cigarettes, but the tobacco industry does not give two shits whether it does or doesn’t. Vaping is addictive and still pretty bad for you.
Vaping is not intended as a smoking cessation product
That’s just factually inaccurate.
it is a cigarette alternative
It happens to help people quit cigarettes
By better simulating the habit than other methods. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to make the connection. You have to be a special kind of stupid to confidently deny it, though.
the tobacco industry does not give two shits whether it does or doesn’t
True, but they’re not the ones who invented vapes. In fact, they and organizations sponsored by the sales of “traditional” smoking cessation products were the most ardent advocates for outlawing vapes, for obvious reasons. That some of them have bought Juul and other vape companies is just a cynical way of getting rid of the competition by devouring it.
Vaping is addictive and still pretty bad for you.
Which is why it’s meant for adult smokers only. It’s still nowhere near as addictive and harmful as tobacco, though, so even if you DO accidentally replace one addiction with another, you’re still better off than if you had continued smoking.
That is the best way for the transition. I clearly wouldn’t have an issue with that kind of vaper because they’re not ripping fat ones in my face and instead trying to better themselves. Like you did. You should be proud, I can’t imagine it’s that easy to get off of an addiction.
Thanks, I AM kinda proud of it, heh. Like all addiction, though, you can’t do it before you’re ready and have the exact kind of help you need.
About a month after I quit smoking with the help of vapes, I quit drinking with the help of a one week anxiety medication regimen my GP prescribed for the mental withdrawals (in spite of being a way too heavy drinker for many years, I was lucky enough to never get physical withdrawals).
With alcohol, I had tried a few different kinds of counseling, trying to force myself not to drink and even being forced to take antabus which can make you really sick if you drink on it, but all of it was either bad timing, a bad method for me or both.
Sorry if that was too much of a tangent lol, I can tend to veer verbose a bit at times 😁
I’m proud to say I am 3 months smoke free, after 15 years smoking without a break!
I quit in September! Congrats! Quitting smoking was way harder than quitting drinking for me, and I was a daily drunk functional alcoholic for years.
Wow, qutting drinking and smoking, you must be a strong character. I don’t know you but I’m pretty proud of you. Wish you the best!
I wanna see a massive dump of them. All of them. If you gonna smoke smoke weed. Fuck tobacco and anyone who thinks it’s cool. They have the freedom to choose for sure, but anyone that chooses that is 100% idiot until proven otherwise.
No ifs, ands, or buts. If you like it, you are part of the problem.
Quitters finally saw the light. People who start smoking in the 2020s are just outright stupid. It’s not all over TV anymore, it’s not the cool teenage rebellion thing. It’s not even hidden knowledge about how bad it is to start, and how hard quitting is. Wtf is making people start now?
