If I remember correctly they also don’t get even a bedsheet. They just sleep directly on the metal.
I remember hearing about this prison awhile back and it genuinely sounds like hell. I have very little compassion for rapists and murderers, but even they don’t deserve to live like that. I cannot imagine what it must do to your psyche.
If first you enter that prison, that is it. The president of that country is very adamant that no one is released, if I remember correctly.
Fucking terrifying to think someone who did nothing at all could end up in there, but there is probably more than one of those in there.
Edit, I found this video that touches on the issue. It is very interesting.
The thing is these aren’t rapists and murderers. These people haven’t been convicted of crimes. Even those not sent by the US. The Salvadoran dictator just decides that people are rapists and murderers and sends them there without trial.
Umm, thanks for these images, it really puts it in perspective. I knew that they were fascists and have shown it many times, but here it looks so clear
If you’re curious to learn more, you can check out this video. It is a very interesting and complex issue. It helps to understand some of El Salvador’s history before passing judgement, but that doesn’t of course mean, that this prison’s facilities and living conditions are acceptable. I just think it’s worth learning a little bit about why this prison exists in the first place.
Still, the fact that innocent US citizens supposedly have been sent there is fucking terrifying and should have never happened.
Ummm, first thanks for the info, second those comments on the video are really scary… They seem to promote concentrarion camps… Third, CNN here doesnt seem to aknowledge that it is a concentration camp and seems to dehumanize the prisoners (at least judging from the title)
Yeah. I chose this older coverage on purpose because it goes into the reasons why the prison exists, but if you check out more recent coverage of the prison, the tone is very different. I have linked to the same reporter revisiting Cecot. It is a bit funny how different the tone is now that it has dawned on people that there is no guarantee that all the people in that prison are convicted terrorists and that some may even be innocent.
I still find the whole issue incredibly fascinating in a scary sort of way. It’s good that dangerous criminals are being removed from the streets, but everything past that action is drenched in human rights nightmares.
But yeah, funny how people can think one way 5 months ago when it didn’t concern themselves and now it is a death camp and a human rights violation and yadda yadda.
True. It is very messed up. It’s one of those situations where there is a positive outcome that will look good for awhile, but it will probably not remain good forever, if they continue to arrest people. At some point it will go from violent criminals to whatever excuse they can make to imprison people. And woop, here we are today. It is happening.
I understand why the prison happened and I understand why the population of El Salvador was happy about their president’s decision to crack down hard on crime, but when does it stop? When have they caught enough people? Because they say they won’t stop until every single criminal has been taken off the street and be me that sounds like they will start seeing ghosts everywhere.
And that is still not even touching on the living conditions of the inmates.
Even the Nazi’s provided their prisoners with blankets. It’s mentioned in Night, it’s mentioned in The Men with the Pink Triangle. The Nazis took away the blankets when they felt like being especially sadistic.
After the soup, we gathered between the bunks. The veterans told us: “You’re lucky to have been brought here so late. Today, this is paradise compared to what the camp was two years ago.
Back then, Buna was a veritable hell. No water, no blankets, less soup and bread. At night, we slept almost naked and the temperature was thirty below. We were collecting corpses by the hundreds every day. Work was very hard. Today, this is a little paradise. The Kapos back then had orders to kill a certain number of prisoners every day. And every week, selection. A merciless selection… Yes, you are lucky.”
Yes, because we’re very clearly following the rules of law here, and a central American nation would never be coerced by the US into engaging in flagrant human rights abuses.
Dude, they don’t even see prisoners as humans, neither do their lemmings. The US even got a rather recent backstory with torture and human trials. I understand your hope, but please be real. I’d be surprised if they weren’t already making “deals”.
The lights are on 24/7 there. Bright florescent lights. I imagine at Dachau you might be able to escape in sleep occasionally.
If I remember correctly they also don’t get even a bedsheet. They just sleep directly on the metal.
I remember hearing about this prison awhile back and it genuinely sounds like hell. I have very little compassion for rapists and murderers, but even they don’t deserve to live like that. I cannot imagine what it must do to your psyche.
If first you enter that prison, that is it. The president of that country is very adamant that no one is released, if I remember correctly.
Fucking terrifying to think someone who did nothing at all could end up in there, but there is probably more than one of those in there.
Edit, I found this video that touches on the issue. It is very interesting.
The thing is these aren’t rapists and murderers. These people haven’t been convicted of crimes. Even those not sent by the US. The Salvadoran dictator just decides that people are rapists and murderers and sends them there without trial.
Wait, the top one isnt a photo from ww2?..
Umm, thanks for these images, it really puts it in perspective. I knew that they were fascists and have shown it many times, but here it looks so clear
If you’re curious to learn more, you can check out this video. It is a very interesting and complex issue. It helps to understand some of El Salvador’s history before passing judgement, but that doesn’t of course mean, that this prison’s facilities and living conditions are acceptable. I just think it’s worth learning a little bit about why this prison exists in the first place.
Still, the fact that innocent US citizens supposedly have been sent there is fucking terrifying and should have never happened.
Ummm, first thanks for the info, second those comments on the video are really scary… They seem to promote concentrarion camps… Third, CNN here doesnt seem to aknowledge that it is a concentration camp and seems to dehumanize the prisoners (at least judging from the title)
Yeah. I chose this older coverage on purpose because it goes into the reasons why the prison exists, but if you check out more recent coverage of the prison, the tone is very different. I have linked to the same reporter revisiting Cecot. It is a bit funny how different the tone is now that it has dawned on people that there is no guarantee that all the people in that prison are convicted terrorists and that some may even be innocent.
I still find the whole issue incredibly fascinating in a scary sort of way. It’s good that dangerous criminals are being removed from the streets, but everything past that action is drenched in human rights nightmares.
But yeah, funny how people can think one way 5 months ago when it didn’t concern themselves and now it is a death camp and a human rights violation and yadda yadda.
When you imprison 1.6% of your population, with essentially zero due process, yeah, your crime rate is going to go down.
Crimes against humanity aren’t counted in the crime rate, naturally.
True. It is very messed up. It’s one of those situations where there is a positive outcome that will look good for awhile, but it will probably not remain good forever, if they continue to arrest people. At some point it will go from violent criminals to whatever excuse they can make to imprison people. And woop, here we are today. It is happening.
I understand why the prison happened and I understand why the population of El Salvador was happy about their president’s decision to crack down hard on crime, but when does it stop? When have they caught enough people? Because they say they won’t stop until every single criminal has been taken off the street and be me that sounds like they will start seeing ghosts everywhere.
And that is still not even touching on the living conditions of the inmates.
Teenagers are also tried as adults, by the way.
Even the Nazi’s provided their prisoners with blankets. It’s mentioned in Night, it’s mentioned in The Men with the Pink Triangle. The Nazis took away the blankets when they felt like being especially sadistic.
From Night
Only difference is the lack of human experiments.
Don’t give Musk ideas.
This is a big part of the Network State or Freedom Cities that are being proposed.
And the lack of such experiments is assumed. Not proven
Can have as much ideas as he wants, we don’t live in 1945 anymore, he has no chance to make them a reality.
Yes, because we’re very clearly following the rules of law here, and a central American nation would never be coerced by the US into engaging in flagrant human rights abuses.
Ah, the classic maxim: history cannot repeat itself.
Yeah, we don’t live in 1973 anymore either, do we?
Dude, they don’t even see prisoners as humans, neither do their lemmings. The US even got a rather recent backstory with torture and human trials. I understand your hope, but please be real. I’d be surprised if they weren’t already making “deals”.
hey dont throw lemmy into this
How small-minded of you.
Hahahahahahahaha