Israel plans to seize Gaza under a new plan, officials say
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Two Israeli officials say ministers have approved a plan to seize the Gaza Strip and to stay in the territory for an unspecified amount of time.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/29626776

[“fierce opposition”? Don’t bet on it.]

By TIA GOLDENBERG and SAM MEDNICK
Updated 5:25 AM EDT, May 5, 2025

TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Israel approved plans on Monday to capture the entire Gaza Strip and remain in the territory for an unspecified amount of time, two Israeli officials said, in a move that if implemented would vastly expand Israel’s operations in the Palestinian territory and likely bring fierce international opposition.

Israeli Cabinet ministers approved the plan in an early morning vote, hours after the Israeli military chief said the army was calling up tens of thousands of reserve soldiers.

  • Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    198·
    23 hours ago

    Good thing the dems made it easy by putting the interests of a foreign genocidal apartheid state before their voters. With a bit of luck, we might be able to successfully blame everyone but them, and they might be confident enough to repeat the same strategy and lose the next election as well.

    • TimmyDeanSausage @lemmy.worldEnglish
      158·
      22 hours ago

      They are receiving plenty of blame. In the mean time, we get to watch Trump destroy our country, cheer on the genocide in Gaza, and openly flirt with invading our allies. All thanks to the morons that bought into propaganda telling them not to vote.

      • TheFriar@lemm.eeEnglish
        127·
        19 hours ago

        So you’re saying the democrats are receiving proper blame for supporting the genocidal state, but it’s the people who didn’t vote for either of the pro-genocide candidates that are to blame?

        Why do so many people constantly just misframe this argument as “it’s the people who didn’t vote’s fault!” And not the fault of the actual people in power for not standing up to a genocide, for once again moving right to capture a “centrist swing” voter, for parading out the fucking neocons as proof of their ability to fucking govern, and for openly arming the genocide?

        You want to lay blame at voters’ feet, but not the people who couldn’t do enough to earn the votes of people…asking not to be involved in genocide. Our votes aren’t theirs to fucking have no matter what they do. What they have done and will do in power matters. If it doesn’t, what the fuck is the point of voting? Why not just trade places back and forth for increasingly bold warmongers and autocrats?

        Don’t blame the voter for not sacrificing their morals and for not holding their nose and saying maybe they wont keep contributing to genocide. Blame the people fucking supporting genocide.

        • Guidy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          43·
          9 hours ago

          Why do so many people constantly just misframe this argument as “it’s the people who didn’t vote’s fault!”

          That’s easy, it goes like this:

          If you and people like you had all voted for the Democratic candidate instead of witholding your vote because she wasn’t anti-Israel enough, Trump would have lost.

          Then it continues:

          If Trump had lost, this wouldn’t be happening.

          Therefore:

          It’s most directly Trump and his Nazi party’s fault, but voters who didn’t vote for Harris 100% share the blame for helping to elect Trump.

          Easy motherfucking peasy.

          Oh, you don’t like genocide? Then why’d you help enable it? And if you can pull your head out of Gaza’s asshole for a minute, why’d you enable the equivalent in the US with millions of deportations?

          I suppose you think it’s Democratic voters’ fault. What, should have have all boycotted the vote so Trump could win harder? Do you think that’d have helped? If Harris came out as super anti-Israel, so that such voters would deign to vote for her, that she’d still have carried enough swing states to win? Because she wouldn’t have, that’s just reality.

          Congrats to everyone who pulled this off; now Gaza, the USA, AND Ukraine are fucked. Well done! Xi and Vlad applaud you too!

          • TheFriar@lemm.eeEnglish
            11·
            1 hour ago

            But it’s just such a twisted way of thinking about it. You’re telling people to sacrifice their firmly held beliefs, and you’re mad at people who didn’t. But you’re not expending any of that energy trying to change the problematic politicians.

            I understand trump is worse. But that does not guarantee his opponent any votes simply because they aren’t him. They have actively turned further and further away from us. At what point does that ever affect your vote? They were taking part in an active genocide. And openly claiming they were not going to change that.

            …what do they have to do to lose your vote? Could they be actively rounding up people in work camps?

            We all understand the difference between trump and the dems.

            But my entire point is what is your vote worth? Apparently it’s worth not very much and can stomach at least genocide without being turned away. Not mine.

            And if you’re going to keep blaming people, and not the politicians, then we are going to keep running into this problem. Because the trend has not been kind to us, to you or me. This keeps happening. The politicians have shown us their tactics will be continually moving to the right. It’s been that way my whole life. Genocide was the dealbreaker for me. Not for you. But this is the world we are living in now. And blaming us isn’t changing shit. Maybe you should start aiming your anger at the people making those choices.

        • Velypso@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          83·
          5 hours ago

          I blame them for making my minority friends fear for the lives they’ve built in the us.

          I blame them for making my trans sister fear for her life.

          I blame them for allowing republicans to completely destroy social services and vital parts of the US government.

          There was so much more at stake than continued genocide in a country half way around the world.

          They deserve at least some of the blame, because they allowed all this to happen.

          • Franklin@lemmy.caEnglish
            22·
            11 hours ago

            I’m so sorry for what you and your loved ones have to live through

            • Velypso@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              31·
              5 hours ago

              Thank you.

              I only wish the people who abstained had enough brain power to think more than a half step ahead.

              Fuck all of them. Every single one is an absolute shit stain, no better than a magat.

        • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
          75·
          14 hours ago

          “They’re both immoral, voting doesn’t make a difference” is how autocracies like Russia come to be.

          Vote for the least bad side. It’s that simple. Protest during the primaries, protest after the election, but don’t freaking protest vote by effectively voting for something an order of magnitude worse on your very issues.

          Doesn’t matter if Biden/Harris came out and personally handed Netanyahu bombs after hugging him every day… If this is your single issue vote, you vote for the party that doesn’t literally want to flatten Gaza, no matter how bad they are.

          • TheFriar@lemm.eeEnglish
            52·
            11 hours ago

            No, Russia became an autocracy by never being a free state after the fall of the Soviet Union.

            The chaos of just adding a president to the existing Soviet order and then the overpowered oligarchs vying for power and buying the “privatized” industries through nepotism and backroom deals is how it happened. Not to mention Yeltsin literally forcing his constitution into law by having tanks fire on the parliament and arresting its members, resulting in an incredibly powerful president who appointed basically the entire government.

            The same few oligarchs and corrupt politicians retaining power, especially when the president holds outsized power in the system led the country to an autocracy. It wasnt from people thinking “both are immoral, voting doesn’t make a difference.”

            The Russian people know voting doesn’t make a difference because the government did nothing to show they’re trustworthy. 88% of the vote, the competitors being arrested or suicided?

            Ignoring immoral politicians and giving them power despite their shortcomings is far more likely to lead to autocracy. It’s not on the voter to cast their vote. It’s on the politicians to earn the votes. Thinking it’s the other way around is incredibly twisted. And honestly really sad that that’s the way people think.

            • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
              42·
              11 hours ago

              Well I’m not sorry, as I am not seeing anything presented that changes the calculus.

              Better politicians would be nice, but we didn’t get them in the primaries, so when we get to the general election we vote for who we freaking got, and “protesting” with your vote is not going to change that, as thats not what this vote is for. I guess you’re not obligated to, but your logic is flawed if you think that’s a good form of protest.

              Who cares if they are immoral? Get over it. Vote for the less worse candidate, if you want to keep voting at all. On aggregate, it’s that simple.

              In other words, a no vote is equal support of both candidates.

              That’s it.

              It means nothing else.

              And I referenced Russia because the population seems to have a general cynicism knowing they can’t change anything. That’s what keeps the system the way it is.

          • Franklin@lemmy.caEnglish
            43·
            2 hours ago

            absolutely right, only people pushing an agenda think nonvptong is a reasonable response

            there’s obvious vote manipulating going on here they always do it with 0 to -1 and it will always happen when the majority of interest in the post has died, seen the exact voting trends to many times

      • Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        87·
        21 hours ago

        And those “morons” will fall it again if the dems keep creating situations that make them look terrible. They are acting like villains, of course its easy for russia to convince people they are.

        How easy is it to just tell Israel to fuck off? Yet im suppose to pat them on the back and blame the evil voters that just couldnt swallow their pride and support ethnic cleansing? Id rather they grew some balls and stopped presenting Trump Lite as their official party strategy.

        They aren’t receiving enough blame if there are still people that are scapegoating ordinary folk that felt genocide, of all things, was were the line should be drawn. It’s normal to not support genocide, the lunatics that tried to push it as a platform are the only ones to blame.

    • Franklin@lemmy.caEnglish
      86·
      22 hours ago

      yeah they are shitty but a non-vote is the moral equivalent of burning your house down because your dog shit the bed.

      Heads in the right place, fucking awful execution

    • finder@lemmy.worldEnglish
      69·
      22 hours ago

      Good thing the dems made it easy by putting the interests of a foreign genocidal apartheid state before their voters. […] repeat the same strategy and lose the next election as well.

      Republicans are literally laying the ground work to turn the USA into a fascist dictatorship that is in lock step with Russia and Israel, but alright cool. Good thing we have more concern for a foreign conflict then the survival of our own democracy.