swallowing our pride to focus more on getting results than being right

So in other words it’s not going to happen.

This but unironically.

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Feel free, leftwing flailing doesn’t help anyone (see the last 70 years as proof)

edit: Also funny you think I’m a centrist when I specifically called Harris a weak milquetoast pro-LE candidate.

beyond obvious that if people didn’t vote in this election, they’d literally never

Except for the 10m people that voted for Biden in 2020 but sat this round out.

You did say their apathy was justified, but it NEVER will be.

Where did I say that? There’s plenty of blame to go around and non-voters will receive their share but right now we’re talking about the rich ruling class who were unable to form any coherent argument or defense against an openly fascist, 34-time convicted, rapist. If that doesn’t show what they bring to the table then I don’t know what does.

You think it’s a sign that the politicians did something wrong that people literally can’t be bothered to stop obvious and imminent fascism.

You don’t? You think politicians did their jobs? I think they’ve been asleep at the wheel for the last 4-5 decades.

Funnier still, you claimed they cared but not voting wasn’t something they could blamed for.

I never said they cared, the opposite in fact.

bothering to vote

Ah yes the absolute lowest bar for civic participation and they still couldn’t reach it meanwhile Republicans are winning schoolboards across the country.

I’m actually coming around to your side though, both sides aren’t the same, one of them is good at politics.

“They saw how dangerous the people actively working against democracy were and were *still unable to form a coherent argument against it or court the millions of people who were afraid of it.”

I’m not sure evil through incompetence is any different than willful evil. One smiles while they patronize you, the other doesnt.

From where I sit the Democratic party was so afraid of an actual changecandidate that they neglected to have a primary and foisted a milquetoast pro-LE candidate that didn’t do anything to reach their base and instead tried to court it’s opponents supporters. So, maybe they’re actually worse than Republicans, at least an R will tell you they hate you and want to take your rights.

An openly fascist rapist beat them, if that isn’t an indictment of them I don’t know what is.

The Democratic party lost, it’s now OK to point at them and say “what a bunch of out of touch rich fucks” and throw them to the wolves, they do not represent us and in that way, are exactly the same as the other side.

So, do you think one of the parties isn’t owned by the 1%?

“No they wouldn’t, it would be bad for their investments in the economy, with more workers in the labour pool the cheaper labour becomes. So reducing that worker pool would mean companies would spend more on each worker reducing profits.”

You agree with that comment?

Do you actually disagree with any of what they said or is snark your contribution?

Yep, if it contributes to the discussion (even if you don’t agree) you up vote. If it contributes nothing or derails the discussion, down vote.

Why wouldn’t they try? They’ve done everything they could so far and face no repercussions, why not go ahead and try to be king? A few people will fret and tut-tut but if nobody is going to do anything it doesn’t amount to much.

Beehaw is a bit fragile. They’ll remove any comment they don’t like if it offends their current sensibilities.

Some jackass who refers to themselves in the 3rd person.

Lemmy was under the impression that there was some large group of unmobilized “leftists” that agreed with them and would go vote and have some influence.

Clearly that was not true.

I lived there, it was ok (I still visit) but there are no jobs.

It’s cromulent, don’t worry about it.

This fucking guy.