• GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
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      I don’t think you understand.

      1000001812

      https://www.democracynow.org/2025/6/16/no_kings

      just pointing out, Scotland only has 5.5 million people living in it.

      1000001813

      that would mean for Scotland to “do a better job at protesting this fuck than the US.” every single man, woman, child and elder would have to be in your streets right now.

      how shit is that, you can’t even organize 5 million people for a simple protest.

      update: I’m not even going to wait on this because the numbers are abysmal. Edinburgh is calling in “hundreds” of protestors and I’ll give the benefit of the doubt to Scotland and say there’s 1000 protestors nationwide.

      many of you twats argued it should be measured by per capita, so let’s do that.

      Scotland

      • population 5,500,000
      • trump golf protest 1000
      • per capita 0.00018

      in comparison to the US.

      • population 347,411,739
      • no kings 5,000,000
      • per capita 0.014

      but hey, it’s not a competition, I just don’t like it when someone denigrates the efforts of people to make themselves feel better. I know what you’re thinking, “aren’t you being a little hypocritical?” no I’m not, because I’m simply calling out bullshit with facts.

      those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

      don’t like it? tough shit. next time don’t talk shit and there won’t be shit.

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          16 days ago

          just an update for you since it’s so important that you’re goal posts are moved. multiple sources claim hundreds of protestors showed up in Edinburgh. I’ll (generously) top it out at 1000 protestors nationwide.

          Scotland

          • population 5,500,000
          • trump golf protest 1000
          • per capita 0.00018

          in comparison to the US.

          • population 347,411,739
          • no kings 5,000,000
          • per capita 0.014

          but hey, it’s not a competition.

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        16 days ago

        I think they meant as a percentage of the population. Americans with the second amendment are notoriously docile little pups when it comes to protesting anything, let alone the illegitimately installed head of their state actively destroying their country their are so notoriously patriotic about.

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          16 days ago

          Are you suggesting that people just open fire on one of the most protected individuals in the world? How do you suppose that would play out in reality?

          I think 2a is a joke and those that have used it as a crutch for these specific moments are a bunch of hypocrites, but attempting to actually assassinate the POTUS is not realistic at all. I’d cut them some slack if they exercised their rights to stop the indiscriminate kidnappings by ICE, but here we are.

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            16 days ago

            Well, that’s how things happen in France, Syria and a lot of other places historically. It’s already played out twice in the last year.

            And because of the complete complacency in the citizenry first with Citizens United, then the failure to hold him to criminal account for his many crimes and endless quid pro quo, and the stacking of the supreme court turning him into a king, the bullet is actually the only way to stop him. That or waiting till he collapses, which could be a while.

            There are no more elections or protests to get rid of him. The concentration camps are being built and filled. The only thing left is to get all your highly individualised asses who don’t even know the concept and power of unions and banding together and form a militia.

            The complacency is absolutely insane to see from abroad.

            PS: and learn from JFK: have multiple shooters not just one.

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              16 days ago

              thank you for telling Americans how they are being Americans wrong from the comfort of your own country.

              it swells my heart with pride knowing that a Frenchman is telling my countrymen how to be more American by assassinating their leaders. going as far as glorifying the assassination of one of our most beloved leaders as a blueprint.

              we will gladly risk life imprisonment at a darksite in a tiny windowless cell, where we will never see our families or loved ones again. All because YOU said we should do it.

              we will risk death so that you can go back to feeling slightly less inconvenienced in your country, France.

              can you please forgive us lowly peasants for ever questioning you?

              suck my dick

              it’s fucking hilarious that of all the Europeans to come this hard at Americans, it’s the fucking French. leave it to the Frenchman to tell someone else to die for a cause they don’t have a cause in. no fear of death, nor retribution, nor punishment.

              will you open your country to my family after the deed is done? I will most likely parish, and my family would be hunted down and killed like animals, if not by the government then by the fanatics. would you risk an open war with America and fight for the protection of my loved ones? Would you feed them, clothe them. Would you allow your countrymen to die for them? would YOU die for them?

              I didn’t think so.

              Ceux qui croient à des absurdités commettront des atrocités.

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                  16 days ago

                  They’re both kinda wrong. There are plenty of protests in the US, just not reported as much because the media works with the administration.

                  Their response suggests that they think the French have never sacrificed their lives for anything, which is absolutely stupid.

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                    it was a tongue in cheek reference to how the French initially refused to get involved in the American revolutionary war until they directly benefited from it.

                    and how they would allow their own people to starve while the aristocracy overindulged.

                    I also thought it was particularly indignant for someone in another country to tell me, an American, what I should sacrifice and how I should rebel when they don’t know the first thing about what my country is going through. they don’t live here, they don’t know what every day is like. they don’t understand the risks.

                    I think it’s a pretty funny that Europeans praise unity and solidarity and then attack Americans just because they’re Americans. I used to think that Europe was light years ahead of us, but now I’m thinking you’re just as fractured and broken as us.

                    I wonder who will come to your aid when Russia starts expanding? surely they won’t expect the fascist loving all knowing piece of shit Americans to help.

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                16 days ago

                As an American: you should shut the fuck up with the French stereotypes. Using those tropes and stereotypes as a serious insult or attack only serves to prove your own (stereotypically American) deep ignorance of French history and culture.

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                  I wasn’t using stereotypes. I was using historical references to how the French refused to aid America in the revolutionary war unless they directly gained from it.

                  I was also alluding to how the French aristocracy used to starve the peasants and overindulge.

      • Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world
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        16 days ago

        Yes Scotland has a population of approx 5.5M so in order to have a higher percentage of the population protesting they’d need to have 80K people take to the streets just like Greenland would need 760 people to outperform the states.

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          16 days ago

          yes, per capita. do you know why protests aren’t measured by per capita, right?

          please tell me you understand why per capita is a bad metric to distinguish protests…

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            16 days ago

            But that perspective matters a whole f** lot. Talking about a percentual mobilisation of people is quite relevant, you know, even if it’s harder to organise a protest in a territory as vast as USA.

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              16 days ago

              stop being an idiot.

              per capita matters when you’re dealing with inequalities or averages across a nation.

              protests are measured by participants or volume. this is because the whole point of a protest is to convey a message by display of force.

              you think someone will look at a protest and go, “looks like 1% of the population of the nation is here.”

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                You stop being a fucking moron. Of course it’s a valid measure of public opinion and engagement. The point is to display force relative to the size of the entity being protested. Take the Serbian or Georgian protests. A whole lot more impressive. If you can’t see that no one can help you.

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                  just an update for you since it’s so important that you’re goal posts are moved. multiple sources claim hundreds of protestors showed up in Edinburgh. I’ll (generously) top it out at 1000 protestors nationwide.

                  Scotland

                  • population 5,500,000
                  • trump golf protest 1000
                  • per capita 0.00018

                  in comparison to the US.

                  • population 347,411,739
                  • no kings 5,000,000
                  • per capita 0.014

                  but hey, it’s not a competition.

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                    15 days ago

                    When did I say otherwise? Of course you’re not gonna get mass protests in Scotland because a corrupted American rapist goes there surroundes by cops.

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                  16 days ago

                  what’s more impressive for a protest:

                  1. 100% of a national population
                  2. 5 million from a national population

                  Jesus the next thing you’re going to tell me is that a pound of feathers is less than a pound of gold.

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                    15 days ago

                    So you do admit it then and you’re just being a stupid c** for no reason. Great use of your time. Enjoy life

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                Yeah people within a country will talk raw numbers, but it’s a fucking stupid way to compare mobilisation between countries. 100000 in the Scottish media looks a lot more impressive than 5m on an American news station. At this point I’m not sure wether your trolling or huffing solvents.

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                  so now we’re talking about volume over mobilization.

                  so 5 million over 2100 cities isn’t impressive enough?

                  keep moving those goal posts troll.

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                    5 million over 2100 cities holding signs and chanting on a Saturday isn’t impressive at all.

                    No Kings was a farce.

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            Protests are measured in raw numbers because if you said 1.4% of the population of the usa gave enough of a fuck to turn up, it would show just how little you people care about What’s happening in your country. And if you compare that to the protests Georgians had about the Russification of their government, they had raw numbers of around 169000 at the low end, but that’s over 4% of their population. So yeah if you want your passive population to seem politically engaged, by all means use the raw numbers, but nobody’s impressed when the survival of your country is on the line and only 1.4% can be bothered showing up.

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              just an update for you since it’s so important that you’re goal posts are moved. multiple sources claim hundreds of protestors showed up in Edinburgh. I’ll (generously) top it out at 1000 protestors nationwide.

              Scotland

              • population 5,500,000
              • trump golf protest 1000
              • per capita 0.00018

              in comparison to the US.

              • population 347,411,739
              • no kings 5,000,000
              • per capita 0.014

              but hey, it’s not a competition.

              • Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world
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                You realise that Donald kiddie fiddler Trump isn’t the president of Scotland right? He’s objectively your fucking problem. You ought to be grateful for any foreign countries who want to help out. I never said there were proportionally more people protesting in Scotland.

                If you look back at the comments, I’ve only ever argued with your position that any country that doesn’t field 5M protesters isn’t outperforming the states. Which, by the way, is still some grade A stupidity. I’ve no fucking idea how many people showed up, but as previously mentioned trump is definitely more of a problem for the USA than anyone else so I genuinely wouldn’t expect that many to show up.

                However if the first minister of Scotland did even half the shit trump’s done, Edinburgh would fucking burn with the riots.

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                  I’m grateful for any help protesting the orange shitler but I won’t stand by when some scab of a human shits all over Americans efforts because they want to feel superior.

                  I also can’t stomach pathetic people who continue to move goal posts when they have lied their way into a corner.

                  Protests are measured in raw numbers because if you said 1.4% of the population of the usa gave enough of a fuck to turn up, it would show just how little you people care about What’s happening in your country. And if you compare that to the protests Georgians had about the Russification of their government, they had raw numbers of around 169000 at the low end, but that’s over 4% of their population. So yeah if you want your passive population to seem politically engaged, by all means use the raw numbers, but nobody’s impressed when the survival of your country is on the line and only 1.4% can be bothered showing up.

                  that was you dipshit. YOU were literally arguing that per capita makes more sense when it comes to comparing protest turnout. you may not understand that’s what you were arguing, but it’s right fucking there. then you have the fucking audacity to try to gaslight me into believing you didn’t mean that? fuck you dude.

                  on top of that, my whole point was the original comment purposely dunked on Americans for not doing enough. so when I compared apples to apples you and trolls like you came out to argue about per capita.

                  well there you have it bitch, per capita in all its mother fucking glory.

                  if you want to be mad at anybody be mad at ThePantser@sh.itjust.works for turning this into a pissing contest.

                  thank god I brought my umbrella because you seem to be drenched.

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        America’s compulsive need to always be right is why you deserve Trump. He is the exact essence of your country.

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            Using absolute numbers when describing turnout rather than proportion is completely nonsensical. It’s clear you are not going to discuss in good faith.

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              the original comment didn’t mention anything about proportion or per capita. you just assumed that’s what they meant because you can’t argue numbers after I presented the real numbers.

              comment figuratively tried to compare apples to apples, so I gave fair comparison with context.

              how do you like them apples

              I guess after the protests I’ll have to come back and show you even by per capita Scotland still failed to bolster the support we “weak Americans” gathered.

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                I guess you prefer dunking on people online to doing anything about your fascist leaders and neighbours.

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                  just an update for you since it’s so important that you’re goal posts are moved. multiple sources claim hundreds of protestors showed up in Edinburgh. I’ll (generously) top it out at 1000 protestors nationwide.

                  Scotland

                  • population 5,500,000
                  • trump golf protest 1000
                  • per capita 0.00018

                  in comparison to the US.

                  • population 347,411,739
                  • no kings 5,000,000
                  • per capita 0.014

                  but hey, it’s not a competition.

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        Ahh shhh don’t tell the random hater on the web the truth their brain might just POP…we are protesting in the millions…

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      Yeah but the weather’s nice isn’t it. Suns oot, taps aff, might as well go and join a radgey outside a golf course.

      edit: this sounds like I’m being flippant, I’m not. Crack on boys and girls, go wild