Glad they’re taking off the gloves a little, but it’s always been a non-option to just make our lives significantly and irrevocably better like M4A or the PRO act and although they’re good at trying and failing, they never talk about the consequences as dire as they actually are with few exceptions.
Going to hell for smiling now, 🤦♀️
Also, picking the least shitty option is always better than being ok with the shitty option. If you want better options then go start actively volunteering for a good option.
Or you know reject the false binary being presented and organize the change needed outside of electoral politics.
Shh, you’re telling people to actually do something instead of blindly following the status quo and hoping someone does it for them.
There is nothing false about the two party binary
Other parties exist.
Sure they do. And if you vote for one in a FPTP system, it’s the same as throwing your ballot in the garbage.
Hey, that’s not true!
The real effect is giving an advantage to the main party that the 3rd party is less similar to.
That’s true, but our system leads to two party duopolies.
Because we live in a country of reactionaries who have allowed themselves to be controlled by that system instead of organizing to take back control of it themselves.
No, the design/implementation of the system itself results in two dominant parties. It is possible for new parties to be created, but without a change to the system, that would still result in a two party duopoly, just with different parties.
That’s the whole point but it won’t change unless we change what we are doing, cause it clearly isn’t working.
Those parties are only dominant because people fall in line. If people stopped falling in line and changed who they gave their support to, those parties would no longer be dominant.
Their power relies on our capitulation. If we want other parties to win, then we have to give our vote to them and hope that others will do the same. If I keep giving up my vote to someone else that’s a guaranteed way for the person I actually want to lose.
Frankly, I believe the entire system of hierarchical, representative democracy is a failed system to begin with and, especially under the influence of a capitalist economy, will inevitably collapse into fascism. Parliamentary democracy is only marginally better. Until we abandon this system and begin governing ourselves in a horizontal structure, it will never change for the better for the working class. Everything else is just spinning wheels, maintaining an inherently oppressive status quo.
But you can’t change the system until you win, and in our system the only way to win is to be one of the Big Two. Bull Moose couldn’t even do it with a former president.
Ok, and when they ratfuck the good option and instead give you republican-lite?
start firearms training and put an antifa patch on your denim jacket, join an anarchist reading club and start talking about Mao’s policies at family functions.
Learn what they did and work against it? Strategies change all the time.
Being ok with the republican choice is accelerationism, which always fucks over everybody.
Learning what they did doesn’t help, the only tool we have to make sure ratfucking isn’t an effective way for conservatives to gain power. When progressives get ratfucked, the republican agenda moves forward no matter if a republican or republican-lite who is happy to work with republicans wins.
Establishment ratfuckers and the ratchet effect - name a more iconic duo.
When have they ever done that?
You can’t be serious.
I’ve been asking that question for years and never gotten a good answer.
Some dude actually came close yesterday by linking to somebody else trying to answer it (almost an original thought wow) by citing news articles claiming the DNC supplied Hillary with all of the debate questions ahead of time and planted audience members to ask Bernie weird questions, citing wikileaks emails, but then even their sources point out that the Bernie Sanders Campaign team dispute any such claims that DNC’s Brazile was biased.
It’s all just Hillary’s emails, bruh, Bernie competed in the DNC primary and lost fair and square. Accepting that reality is the way forwards.
Who have you been asking that question to? Yourself in the mirror? Your Teddy bear late at night? I have an extremely hard time believing that you have spent more than 30 seconds trying to find the answer to this question considering this is all very public knowledge. Despite the mainstream media trying to downplay this issue, the truth isn’t that hard to find.
By ‘claiming’ do you mean that the DNC were caught red handed doing exactly that?
Did the article also happen to mention that the lawyers for the DNC argued to the Judge that the language in the DNC’s charter about being impartial and evenhanded is just “political promise” (aka, a lie) and that they are under no obligation to be impartial? That the DNC has 'every right’ to choose who they want as the candidate? There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that isn’t the way the “Democratic National Committee” operates to this very day.
First of all Bernie is a real one who has class and was more focused on defeating fascism than getting justice for himself. Unlike the Crooked DNC, he puts what’s best for the country ahead of his own interests.
The claim wasn’t that Brazile was biased. It was Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Hilary Clinton, and other higher ups in the DNC that colluded against Bernie. DWS resigned as the Chair of the DNC specifically because the email leaks showed party officials conspiring to sabotage the campaign of Senator Sanders. DNC CEO Amy Dacey, CFO Brad Marshall, and Communications Director Luis Miranda also resigned in the wake of the controversy.
In fact it was Donna Brazile who replaced DWS as interim chair of the DNC that uncovered further evidence of tampering by the Clinton campaign and related that info to Bernie- who took the news like the chad he is.
Of all the liberal hot takes this is the smoothest brained take yet.
First of all you are conflating the Hillary Clinton email controversy the with the 2016 Democratic National Committee email leaks.
Secondly the reason that “But her emails!..” became an ironic refrain was because every time someone would point out something illegal, unethical, or Unamerican the Trump campaign was doing, “Conservatives” would engage in ‘Whataboutism’ by uttering that phrase. Not because Hillary wasn’t caught doing some extremely shady shit- she absolutely was.
Ironic. I’ll make you a deal. Once you learn what the reality of the situation actually is and accept it- we can work on moving forwards from there. How bout that?
It sure would be nice if people like you could learn how to use search engines on your own. I feel like I should get paid to do this for you. I wouldn’t even bother if I didn’t think there were other libs reading this who were likewise confused and might find this info useful.
I believe Bernie Sanders on this one, you’ve got no credility compared to him. And yes, the DNC can choose it’s candidates in the primary, just like they chose Bernie Sanders and if he didn’t lose by 3 Million votes then he would have been the candidate in the general.
3 Million votes. No fraud, no manufactured scandals, just millions of voters choosing Not-Bernie.
Bernie didn’t dispute anything I wrote, and it’s not my word- I linked to all my sources.
Gee it’s no wonder you are still so ill informed about this subject when you flat out refuse to inform yourself when presented with the facts.
It’s supposed to be the Democratic VOTERS who get to choose who wins the primary, not the DNC. He wouldn’t have lost if they hadn’t colluded against him. I feel like I could explain this to a literal kindergartner and they would be able to comprehend it.
Yes fraud, yes scandals- fucking learn to read you ignorant lib.
Actually yeah, the Sanders campaign was very clear that Brazile was in contact with all of them and not favoring a candidate.
You gave a link to “evidence of collusion/corruption” and the article on the other end says Hillary Clinton, longtime member of the DNC, fundraised for the DNC to bring them out of debt to banks and vendors. That’s not corruption, thats what political parties do, they pool funds and promote their candidates. Bernie Sanders didn’t have to do this because, and this might come as a shock to you, Bernie Sanders is not part of the DNC.
too bad people wont wake up from that, if it stays the same, maybe a couple of cyle of republican elections, would finally wake people up, because republicans always made sure the ticking time bombs that set in place is always the blame of the dems
Then maybe the Dems should stop building the bombs, and handing them to the Republicans.