Glad they’re taking off the gloves a little, but it’s always been a non-option to just make our lives significantly and irrevocably better like M4A or the PRO act and although they’re good at trying and failing, they never talk about the consequences as dire as they actually are with few exceptions.

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    It comes down to whichever outcome you think is more likely to happen. Either:

    A) The Democratic leadership stops resisting, and starts doing what the voters want
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    B) A third-party will gain power

    I think B is much more likely, as the Democratic leadership has clearly demonstrated that they’d rather let the Republicans win, than do what the voters want. If you want to try to make A happen, then be my guest. I hope to be proven wrong. But from watching the Dems in the past few decades, it’s clear to me that B is more likely.

    They are already moving quickly to end democracy in the US.

    You mean the Democracy where we get to vote for genocide or genocide? or how about the bombing of those kids, vs those other kids? Or how about this mass surveillance system vs that mass surveillance system?

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      The democracy where dissidents get arrested and disappeared to extralegal foreign prisons or the one where they don’t. Where autocratic leaders can get peacefully deposed or the one where they don’t.

      It’s not about the policies of the democrats or republicans today. It’s about any policy you want to enact by voting in the future.

      My argument is you create a situation where democratic leadership either gets removed by intra-party politics and replaced by allies, or existing has no choice but to concede due to pressure from a large organized movement. Or likely some combination of those things. Honestly, I see this already happening to some extent but if more people were engaged in this strategy it would happen faster.

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        The democracy where dissidents get arrested and disappeared to foreign prisons or the one where they don’t. Where autocratic leaders can get peacefully deposed or the one where they don’t.

        Considering that these things happened both under the Democrats and the Republicans, you are going to have to be more specific.

        My argument is you create a situation where democratic leadership either gets removed by intra-party politics and replaced by allies, or existing has no choice but to concede due to pressure from a large organized movement.

        Once again, they’ve already signaled that they’d rather lose than do this. Fight for it if you want, but I’m not going to waste my time banging my head against the same wall.

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          And yet you’ll bang your head against the wall of third parties that have failed to achieve anything whatsoever in over 150 years.

          I’m not sure what you’re referring to with democrats. Dissidents who break laws have been targeted. I don’t know of any who were targeted merely for speech as we’ve seen under this administration. But perhaps I am ignorant.