Lmao at CCP apologists here. Just cut the noise of “he said, she said”-type of denunciation of sources because it’s “Western” and use Occam’s razor on this. Most people don’t want to be bothered and to just get on with their lives. If the Uyghurs are indeed not being genocided, hundreds if not thousands of them would not bother to protest. Because if they aren’t, they would prefer to simply get on with their own lives. There are too many complaints not to ignore if there is no genocide happening. If there’s smoke, there’s fire.
I’ve been to Urumqi, my takeaway was that I didnt have enough knowledge to understand their situation, and random people who haven’t been within 1000 miles of this place understand even less.
There’s [millions of complains about the covid vaccine causing seizures to autism to magnetism]
Isn’t this a vain and pathetic attempt to throw a red herring, comparing genocide to fake vaccine side effects like magnetism. Where are the millions of complaints you mentioned about vaccines from the website you linked, which is notoriously being doctored (pun intended) by the unqualified, antivaxxer NHS head Robert Kennedy?
Most people don’t complain if they are not being inconvenienced. That’s the point of complaining. Even Tibetans are not complaining about genocide despite the politics, because they’re not being subjected to the same treatment that Uyghurs are being subjected to.
Of course you won’t see much about Urumqi, because you haven’t been to any of the “reeducation camps”. And people who are not in camps would not dare speak about their true feelings.
Wouldn’t it be the other way around? With the right tools online to stay anonymous, they could talk about what they feel. If asked in person, they would not open be so open because they could be talking to a secret police and be sent to one of the camps.
Getting sent to a secret camp because your neighbor is an undercover cop secretly monitoring you for wrongthink is wildly outside of anybody on earth’s experience, except North Korea, allegedly.
Sending a message on wechat and having it not arrive or having your internet cut off for 10 seconds during a live chat because your toddler walked into frame is.
There was one chinese traveler on vacation I met in Hanoi who said some out-of-pocket shit about Hitler saving Germany. I mentioned it to some other chinese folks and they were as baffled as I was, but didn’t think it was productive to confront him. I got the sense that randos with insane views are common enough they don’t have the energy to try to correct them.
undercover cop secretly monitoring you for wrongthink is wildly outside of anybody on earth’s experience, except North Korea, allegedly.
Except Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, and increasingly the US and El Salvador, allegedly.
There was one chinese traveler on vacation I met in Hanoi who said some out-of-pocket shit about Hitler saving Germany. I mentioned it to some other chinese folks and they were as baffled as I was, but didn’t think it was productive to confront him.
Anyone can say anything about Hitler because the Nazi party don’t exist anymore and was enemy of everyone except the fascists. Have you and others tried to criticise the CCP, though?
Nice try with another attempt at another red herring. That’s cute. Got any more strange attempt to derail the argument?
I could believe Russia, but the people who’ve been to Cuba I’ve met show its absolutely false. The Iranians and people who’ve traveled to Iran I’ve met suggest there are religious police that do suck, but it technically being punishable doesn’t stop them from criticizing those cops to foreigners.
Have you and others tried to criticise the CCP, though
Yes, like all the time, you just have to ask about a specific policy someone has feelings on.
red herring
I’m trying to give a more general description of criticism and dissent within China.
You could believe Russia? Mate, they have been arresting those criticise the war in Ukraine and Putin. In Cuba and China, they could say anything about corrupt individuals as long as they avoid criticising the overall party polices and leaders themselves. Iranians could criticise cops and politicians sure, but not the ayatollahs and the restrictive sharia law. Could people in Iran, China and Iran even vote for anyone not vetted by the ruling parties?
Again, I have to applaud your attempt to downplay the severity of these authoritarian regimes. Cleverest PR spin I have seen in a while. 5 cents straight to your bank account. Your level of English is showing.
Lmao at CCP apologists here. Just cut the noise of “he said, she said”-type of denunciation of sources because it’s “Western” and use Occam’s razor on this. Most people don’t want to be bothered and to just get on with their lives. If the Uyghurs are indeed not being genocided, hundreds if not thousands of them would not bother to protest. Because if they aren’t, they would prefer to simply get on with their own lives. There are too many complaints not to ignore if there is no genocide happening. If there’s smoke, there’s fire.
There’s millions of complains about the covid vaccine causing seizures to autism to magnetism, it doesn’t mean covid vaccines are dangerous, it means you have to examine the selection method.
I’ve been to Urumqi, my takeaway was that I didnt have enough knowledge to understand their situation, and random people who haven’t been within 1000 miles of this place understand even less.
Isn’t this a vain and pathetic attempt to throw a red herring, comparing genocide to fake vaccine side effects like magnetism. Where are the millions of complaints you mentioned about vaccines from the website you linked, which is notoriously being doctored (pun intended) by the unqualified, antivaxxer NHS head Robert Kennedy?
Most people don’t complain if they are not being inconvenienced. That’s the point of complaining. Even Tibetans are not complaining about genocide despite the politics, because they’re not being subjected to the same treatment that Uyghurs are being subjected to.
Of course you won’t see much about Urumqi, because you haven’t been to any of the “reeducation camps”. And people who are not in camps would not dare speak about their true feelings.
Bro it’s not 1984, people might not talk about politics online, but they absolutely will describe whatever bullshit they’re dealing with in person.
Wouldn’t it be the other way around? With the right tools online to stay anonymous, they could talk about what they feel. If asked in person, they would not open be so open because they could be talking to a secret police and be sent to one of the camps.
Getting sent to a secret camp because your neighbor is an undercover cop secretly monitoring you for wrongthink is wildly outside of anybody on earth’s experience, except North Korea, allegedly.
Sending a message on wechat and having it not arrive or having your internet cut off for 10 seconds during a live chat because your toddler walked into frame is.
There was one chinese traveler on vacation I met in Hanoi who said some out-of-pocket shit about Hitler saving Germany. I mentioned it to some other chinese folks and they were as baffled as I was, but didn’t think it was productive to confront him. I got the sense that randos with insane views are common enough they don’t have the energy to try to correct them.
Except Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, and increasingly the US and El Salvador, allegedly.
Anyone can say anything about Hitler because the Nazi party don’t exist anymore and was enemy of everyone except the fascists. Have you and others tried to criticise the CCP, though?
Nice try with another attempt at another red herring. That’s cute. Got any more strange attempt to derail the argument?
I could believe Russia, but the people who’ve been to Cuba I’ve met show its absolutely false. The Iranians and people who’ve traveled to Iran I’ve met suggest there are religious police that do suck, but it technically being punishable doesn’t stop them from criticizing those cops to foreigners.
Yes, like all the time, you just have to ask about a specific policy someone has feelings on.
I’m trying to give a more general description of criticism and dissent within China.
You could believe Russia? Mate, they have been arresting those criticise the war in Ukraine and Putin. In Cuba and China, they could say anything about corrupt individuals as long as they avoid criticising the overall party polices and leaders themselves. Iranians could criticise cops and politicians sure, but not the ayatollahs and the restrictive sharia law. Could people in Iran, China and Iran even vote for anyone not vetted by the ruling parties?
Again, I have to applaud your attempt to downplay the severity of these authoritarian regimes. Cleverest PR spin I have seen in a while. 5 cents straight to your bank account. Your level of English is showing.