For those who don’t find “far-right” to be an applicable descriptor with what is known currently, I acknowledge that the meme creator could have been more precise with their word choice. However, I feel the difference is academic:

We can replace “far right” with the easily verified “not leftist” without changing the meme whatsoever, primarily because the meme is about Nancy Mace and her mercurial, disingenuous opinion, not (directly) about the shooter.

Edit - I modified it, though I still find it to be a distinction without a difference - alt version for those who prefer (whoops missed one first time)

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    To summarize, the person you responded to stated

    There is no authority, no person or group of people, authorized to decide who is a Christian and who is not.

    To which you responded,

    Yes there absolutely are.

    Followed by a wall of text that presented absolutely zero authority figures authorized to decide who is, and isn’t, christian.

    All you gave is YOUR criteria, but there’s no reason anybody needs to follow your criteria. You’re also not authorized to decide. That’s the point.

    No True Scotsman

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      First I reject the assertion that no one can make that determination so your “No True Scotsman” is not applicable

      To be clearer there is one standard that all Christians agree to which is the redemption of Christ. If you don’t think Christ died to redeem sin there’s literally no point in the religion.

      The rest of my post explains why those that think LDS aren’t Christian and what their claims are.

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        there is one standard that all Christians agree to

        Except those that don’t. You’re committing the fallacy right there. If those people over there that call themselves Christians don’t agree with your arbitrary criteria, then they’re not true Christians. Except your only evidence to back up your claim is, “trust me bro.” There’s no license or certificate from any kind of authority. It’s just you making shit up.

        Allow me to demonstrate.

        All Christians have a tattoo on their forehead of Jesus on the cross with a pool of blood at the base of the cross. Every year they go through a secretive cleansing and atonement ritual that culminates in an update to the tattoo that makes the pool of blood bigger. You can identify the most pious Christians by how big their pool of blood is.

        If you don’t have this tattoo, then you’re not a Christian and your erroneous opinion of what criteria makes someone christian is irrelevant.

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          You need to have an actual example to present a counterfactual. You cannot presume one might exist and then argue as if your claims have validity.

          If you can find an actual example of a Christian denomination that does not see Christ’s death on the cross as an act that redeems the world of sin you can press the No True Scotsman claim but it needs to be real and it isn’t.

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            You absolutely do not understand No True Scotsman, then.

            This whole thing started with you arguing against someone that stated that there is no central authoritative body that decides who is and isn’t christian. You have yet to present one. Instead, you just present YOUR criteria, as if you’re the authoritative body, but your not, because there isn’t one.

            I could call myself a Christian and make up whatever criteria I want that makes me qualified, and there’s nobody to stop me.

            If you can find an actual example of a Christian denomination that…

            And even if I did, you would reject it because they don’t meet your definition of a Christian denomination, so I still failed to “find an actual example of a Christian denomination that…”

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        Wasn’t Paul the only one that said that? Plus, it wasn’t a new religion at the time. They all considered themselves Jewish at least until 70 ad.

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          None of the apostles said this directly. It’s literally the central dogmatic point everyone shares post schism. If Christ’s death isn’t redemptive there’s no point to the faith at all.