Five hours after Charlie Kirk was shot this week, an Atlanta man got a phone call from an Illinois police officer asking about a photo he shared with a couple of close friends on a private Discord chat. The Atlanta man, who asked not to be identified, says the post was merely a confirmation that he had purchased the same T-shirt that the accused killer wore (from an Illinois-based online shop).
Social media companies are generally forbidden by law from divulging users’ private communications to the government without a traditional legal process (e.g., court order). But there’s an exception: in perceived emergencies, social media platforms can proactively and “voluntarily” hand over private messages in response to what’s called an “emergency disclosure request” (EDR).
Discord, I am told, did not respond to any EDR here; but when I asked them directly if they’d provided law enforcement with information to traditional legal process, they declined to respond on-record.
The FBI, or the intelligence community, evidently is monitoring Discord private messaging, even from people who have broken no law.
Full blown Orwellian world. Run for local government and stop this shit.
The largest populated areas are left leaning. If they ae controlled by democratic socialist, we can restrict this shit. Just by pure numbers.
Nothing to worry about. Schmuck Schumer has released a statement calling this situation “outrageous.”
That’ll fix’em.
As a Turkish citizen, this gives me a sense of deja-vu. America is going through the same crackdowns on freedoms we experienced 25 years ago.
What happened as a result? Any tips?
One thing that happened was that the Turkish leader Erdogan, visited Trump during his first administration, and after the meeting, Erdogan’s security force attacked people who were legally protesting. A visiting head-of-state’s private security came to America and beat-up legal protesters on American soil - and the Trump administration did nothing.
I don’t think they’re doing to well so it’s not comforting
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frequent political violence while the leaders scapegoat the entire Kurdish population.
Kurds have been Erdoğan’a greatest friends over the years. When Erdoğan called for a referendum in 2010 to abolish the independent judiciary (the infamous “yetmez ama evet” referandum), support from Kurdish nationalists was critical for Erdoğan’s victory.
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so an illinois policeman called a guy in atlanta around a convo about a thing that happened in utah??? That policeman should be investigated.
Makes sense if you don’t think about it.
Unfortunately fusion centers are a thing, they shouldn’t be but they are.
Socialist Democrates whant’s to destroy e2ee in sweden to both parties is anti encryption and pro mass surveillance. They are fighting against eachother of “who can introduce most surveillance and police state laws first”
Liberals always try to prepare everything the Fascists need to do Fascism when the Fascists get elected (with help from the liberals)
That’s what happens when the billionaires donate to all the political parties.
That’s what happens when you let billionaires operate unchecked. Billionaires have the ability to operate like an independent nation of one, fucking up the works for real nations who are trying to take care of their people.
Billionaires should either be prohibited, or their expenditures should be tightly regulated. Make them get permission from a regulatory panel before they can spend their money.
“No, you already have a yacht, you don’t need another. Just for being shitty enough to request a SECOND yacht, that money will be earmarked to build homeless shelters instead. Anything else?”
Tjis is really the only thing anyone should pay attention to. Assassinating Peter Theil is a good first step to stopping this surveillance state. He wants to destroy humans to make way for transhumans. The war has begun.
So be different when you run for office. Strengthen privacy laws instead of destroying them.
Snowden told us about these type of IC capabilities 12 years ago. We are cooked, y’all. Cooked.
I think you missed his conclusion.
We have tools that they can’t penetrate. Privacy is a right. We’re not cooked.
Now we are all doomed to android and iphone though. And all of the US carriers at least, are sucking the techbro surveillance cocks.
We have Grapheme and similar privacy focused open source options on Android
Lol, okay. As the vast majority of people have no clue and no interest in utilizing those tools. No interest in understanding threat vectors and cryptography. Cooked was a bit glibb, but the general “we”, I do not see your optimism.
“Privacy is a right”… sure, so is healthcare and shelter… I am sure those policies are going global really soon.
As the vast majority of people have no clue and no interest in utilizing those tools.
I can’t agree more. A few family members got really paranoid about their communications being monitored after Trump was elected again, so I offered to show them Signal or Element. Nah, no interest, “too hard”. They still text even with the fucking US government itself warning people it’s a very insecure medium.
I’m hoping that disinterest changes after a few people get locked up based on social media PMs, but don’t have all that much hope.
After the ICE raids started, I had a lot of people reach out to me. I’ve given trainings and lots of people switched to more secure systems.
There is an increased appetite in many oppressed groups for this. Don’t try to force it. Be open and ready to train those who are eager.
You should create a website that explains how to do it.
There are many, but nothing works better than in-person trainings
We’re probably burnt at this point.
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I’m fortunately not American.
Guns should be regulated anyway.
How else can we stop people like Kirk and Trump?
With words, you dopy twat. You can watch Kirk right now, getting his ass handed to him in debate on youtube. Stop acting like murder is the only option you have.
Look whose calling others a dopey twat.
You don’t seem to understand that we are already using words, and it’s getting us nowhere. These people understand that we want to use words, and they have weaponized our need for peaceful discussion against us.
Peaceful negotiations only work when both sides are operating in good faith. Not only are the MAGAs not operating in good faith, they view that as an enormous weakness to be exploited. So they tease us along, offering opportunities to negotiate, but they are just distractions, to keep their grift and oppression going longer, and deepening.
Hopefully, we will eventually negotiate our way out of this, but it is looking more and more unlikely by the day. Anyone who has read any history knows that sooner or later, it will almost certainly take some level of violence to unseat the MAGA disease that is afflicting the world.
We should start getting used to that idea now, before we need it for real.
Hey dipshit, which lead to Kirk stopping spreading his hate?
- debating him so he can get views on YouTube
or - the little ouchie he got?
No, the spreading of hate was the talking heads who told you he said things he never said. All the grifters and influencers and main stream news outlets who cherry picked the things he said, to make him look much worse than he is.
Like when he said that people accept that people die so they can have the 2A. You think thats extremism, yet dont ever bother to repeat the rest of what he said, when talking about the shit that society puts up with to have things. Like cars, we accept that 50k people a year will die because we want to drive cars. Its the same argument, but you take it away and all of sudden hes some nutjob claiming kids dying is a good thing.
Take away the 2A and you are at the mercy of a tyrannical government. The price of that safe guard is that some people will die. Exact same thing with cars, and knives, and whatever else. Everything has a cost. EVERYTHING. That was his point. And youd be dumb to disagree with it.
You can argue that we dont need guns, theres nothing wrong with that. But the logic is there.
- debating him so he can get views on YouTube
Words are sufficient only in a system that prioritizes broad wellbeing (as opposed to prioritizing the billionaires), when such a system works well, is healthy, is valued by most, etc.
We don’t have it. We have a “every man for himself” and “got mine, fuck you” system.
I hate to say it, if anyone wants something in our system now, they have to take it by fiat and force. The fascists get it. They use the methods that work, it’s just that their desired end state is intolerable shit for most. If their end state had freedom and human rights for everyone, most would forgive the methods.
Stop saying fascists, youve all used that word to fucking much and it now means fuck all.
People are still going on holidays, people are still buying houses, people are still getting jobs and paying rent and every thing else people have always done. Youre just spreading nonsense to play your part in the dumb as fuck culture wars. YOU and people like you, are why Trump is a thing. Yes, thats right, YOU. You, who plays the dumb games of culture wars, who calls a person who dont like star wars a fucking nazi. You created this nightmare world were extremism is everywhere.
Fucking stop it.
Ofc you are an enlightened centrist-libtard-to be gefreiter @ einsatzgruppen. Go on, blame the left, suck up the narrative, surely history started yesterday and nothing similar to this ever happened. Grow a fucking brain or follow your leader, either way gtfo
You must live in a democracy
He’s just never tried to say something which wasn’t allowed
Like “I think we should have a leader that represents the governed”
Word stopped hitler and stalin so well didnt they.
Some asshole debating students poorly is not fucking Hitler!
You’re right, it’s Goebbels.
Just showing how unhinged you are to be honest.
Hitler died from suicide and Stalin from a stroke.
Kind of difficult to make that happen.
It’s very easy to drive people to suicide, the right does it to minorities every day.
Cmon McDonald’s do your thing
Americans are weird dude, even their leftists are gun happy and to the rest of us around the world it’s baffling. But they were born and steeped in this lunacy so they don’t see the problem
All leftists worldwide are gun happy.
Under no pretext motherfucker.
Not happy, just resigned to reality
That’s a horrifying thing to think is a fact
They’ve tried. First it was white men only. Then women could get them. Now almost anyone can own them. Even people with extra melanin in their skin!
for now. pretty soon, it’ll be back to white men only.
not a single person gives a shit about charlie kirk; the whole crackdown is because politicians got a glimpse ofhow people will react when they die and they don’t like it.
They don’t give a shit about that either. Trump has been trying to goat people into violence and he final got his wish (possibly by his own people). They are seizing on that. That is why he moved the national guard into memphis TN. He wants marshall law to hold power forever.
Edit: spelling
Edit: spelling
Since we’re making corrections, the word is “goad,” not “goat.” You try to “goad” people into behavior or choices they wouldn’t normally make.
I try not to correct people much anymore if their message is still pretty obvious. I realized that offering too many corrections could cause people to post less, and I didn’t want to be the cause of that. But the fact that you were already willing to edit goaded me into suggesting another correction.
Really got your goad there didn’t it?
What are you talking about? I’m a sheet farmer.
Also it’s martial, not marshal, which is reasonably important as martial means pertaining to war, i.e. the army running things.
Does this relate to Mars, God of war?
That is indeed the origin! https://www.etymonline.com/word/martial
I figured someone else would get that one. Other lemmings don’t seem to love it when I jokingly ask “who’s Marsha Law?”
Other lemmings don’t seem to love it when I jokingly ask “who’s Marsha Law?”
Thats just a moo opinion… lol
This is a great point out. Just like Chomping/ Champing at the bit.
Your good. Just don’t be the " it is it’s vs its" person when you have nothing to add. I just want to fight those people.
Your good
*You’re
I hate you /s
Edit : /s
Relax. It’s a common mistake.
It is worrisome that he is goating people to violence with Christy Noam running Homeland security.
Using ICE and the national guard to overthrow the people. Well you always need a secret police force and military to tale over. He just picked the dumbest ones.
With Christy Noem in charge, the dog days of democracy are over. Because she put a bullet in its head for insubordination.
But no I agree I mean I always knew we’re going to get fashy here but I always thought the bad guys would have their shit together more.
Fascism usually ends the one of two ways, dead or fleeing to a different country.
I know spite can add a lot of years to odious tyrants, but sooner or later…
They all end the same way.
A dead nazi is funny but at the end of the day they’re just another dead nazi. Now when Hitler or Goebbels eats shit, that’s a call for celebration.
Todays news outlets if sent back to 1945: Underrated painter shot in the head by maniacal racist in Berlin. German outrage over frantic celebrations across Europe.
It’s the Clipper Chip all over again.
I saw this coming in 1999 when Scott McNealy inadvertantly spilled the beans on what his hateful industry was up to, and I have been extremely cautious about what I’ve been posting ever since. People have called me a paranoid crackpot for decades. I guess I hate to tell you I told you so…
If I ever get oppressed for my speech, I’m going to go do some deeds.
I’m not going to hide away for 30 years like you have.
If I ever get oppressed for my speech
You already are.
Ask yourself: can you say or post absolutely everything that falls under free speech - i.e. not calls to violence of civil disturbance? Do you feel like you can safely talk about all subjects without being cancelled or sued?
As soon as you start thinking twice about whether you can say something safely, that’s censorship. Censorship isn’t someone breathing over your neck saying “Be careful what you say”, it’s you self-censoring so you don’t get into trouble.
De-google and open source has been my push this year. I’m not the most knowledgeable but I don’t trust these companies.
I stopped using social media for almost 20 years. Only anonymous chats like this are used. Everything goes through a VPN and I always think that someone else is reading my stuff.
9-11 put us on this track with no restrictions.
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Using this to try to get more people off of discord.
Also not privacy related, but fuck substack
What’s wrong with substack? Lots of great independent journalists use it.
Highly prone to lock-in, enshittification, and they promote Nazis.
Just another centralized platform that can’t help but want to become universal.
What’s the better alternative?
If self hosting ghost isn’t your style. Some good hosted options are bear blog, and write freely
There are several, but the most direct alternative is Ghost (see SS to Ghost migration guide here).
I used to subscribe to several SS newsletters that switched to Ghost, which is how I found out about it. But I wouldn’t have even noticed if they hadn’t told me.
Unfortunate choice of initialisation there.
Heh, indeed. Not to be confused with this old school SS to Ghost migration tool. 👻
Ken Klippenstein has done amazing work and broke multiple stories.
This is not a smear against discord but a reveal of how the government is operating. If you don’t think it is a privacy issue then you don’t know what privacy is. Being a fan boy doesn’t change what is happening.
Use discord all you want but your point is baseless about the story.
Apologies, I wasn’t criticizing the article, or you for sharing it. It’s a tricky sentence, especially if English isn’t your first language - the “but” changes the subject. Article is definitely privacy related.
What isn’t privacy related is my opinion about subtack. I don’t mean to derail, so will let anyone reading this look up why ss sucks and make their own decision.
Gotcha. SS has a troubling history. One could argue journalist have a open door policy.
How do you say one is a journalist while another isn’t? Today, anyone can be a journalist and a lot of traditional journalist are doing their own thing.
Even credible outlets are changing. The New Your Times was considered top tier but now… lord have mercy. Billionaires are buying up and interfering with the companies. And then we have private equity firms, the lice found on the flies that eat shit.
Yes, I wonder what journalists (“professional” and otherwise) are supposed to do. Everyone going their own way and splintering off into many little voices doesn’t feel like the right answer, but publishers are beholden to investors and can be bought out by billionaires. I suppose there are publishers/agencies that have maintained their integrity like 404 Media, or Al Jazeera.
Maybe this is just the burden of anyone in a democracy: to constantly weigh the quality of the sources of information you’re using to form opinions which spawn action.
Getting funding from South Korea might be an option. They probably want the Trump Regime to go away, so that they can carry on business without a toddler doing stupid shit.
If a civil war happens, I suspect the Blue States would get a great deal of foreign support. “Fuck that guy”, would be a big part of that. The other part being “I want a reliable business partner.” Kinda like how the Confederates were boned internationally when it came to trade. Plus, it would be an easy way to earn favors with whatever institution that displaces Trumpkins.
Critical thinking is a invaluable tool that ia slowly being lost to drone mentality. That is how democracy dies.
In other news, Trump has saved TikTok so the drone factory won’t shut down after all.
He never wanted to shut it down, instead he wants to control it. It is a massive surveillance tool. China knows that as well.
Exactly what Charlie Kirk would want! More censorship!
Sad fact that we live in a world that his death accomplished more then his life. We all knew he was a Trump asset but I never thought it would be like this.
You may as well assume that anything done on public social media is being read, searched and filtered in real-time by law enforcement and intelligence agencies.
Given the trajectory of this administration in persecuting people for their political affiliation, dumping commercial social media should be an imperative for everyone who isn’t goose stepping.
Well, it’s being scanned for keywords by a script. They don’t manually read every post in existence. That’s not physically possible.
That’s been the case for 10 years. Unless it’s e2ee, it’s public record and can be tied to your real name with a minimal amount of paperwork.
Before I comment anything anywhere, I imagine it being read in a court room in a monotone voice. Bip bop dippity dop, the judge in this case is a swell person and I hope they have a lovely day!
Well they will have to read a lot of my erotic zelda/link fan fiction.
Sounds like a CSAM case for a motivated partisan prosecutor.
People break the law, as it is written, way more than they think. Selective enforcement to target political rival groups is very much in the playbook here.
It is less safe to speak in public today than it was 2 years ago, and it is only getting worse. Protecting your privacy also means protecting yourself from mob justice when they decide you’re the new target group.
Protecting your privacy also means protecting yourself from mob justice when they decide you’re the new target group.
New flavor of the month. Let’s see what Trump seen on Fox News.
It’s like the lottery, but wose
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This was what should have been a private conversation though, not public.
It was said in a Discord chat. Discord chats are not private, you agree to that in the TOS when you sign up.
There are always people monitoring the chats, voice and video, looking for illegal activities. Something was said in that conversation that their algorithm flagged for human review and that person sent it to law enforcement.
You have zero privacy on any social media. Everything that you write is viewable by the service owner and they actively look for things to report to law enforcement.
Companies pay lip service to your privacy, but at the end of the day they’ll turn you in the instant it suits them. If you want privacy, you use encryption so that your privacy is guaranteed by mathematics.
Discord is private social media, and most users think their messages aren’t shared with government without a warrant. Of course it’s possible in this case Discord didn’t even provide the messages “to police”, but that the police just subscribe to their commercial data-sharing and enjoy the same real-time access that way.
I really do worry tools like whatever the naperville pd using here are going result in a lot of damage and upturned lives once their use becomes more casual, like god knows what’s going to happen with the president declaring random political views terrorism
no real court orders were involved, the article mentions a EDR wasn’t invoked, no push back from discord over what sounds like some sort of dump or access to all images uploaded to the service
Spotshooter is one of those systems that collect but doesn’t work as advertised. Politicians love approving it. We also have these POS.
Asking for a friend, where would one buy one of these shirts?
I would tell the friend to read the article. Your friend will and probably is being monitored. I’m also sure lemmy is as well.
Fortunately
user_nameis an alias…Hey, my real name is bluefalcon. My daddy was a bluefalcon and his daddy.
