• ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world
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      11 hours ago

      If I am understanding the chart here correctly, bees are not a type of wasp. Bees, wasps, ants, and sawflies are all Hymenopterans, but distinct from each other.

      • redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        8 hours ago

        That graph does contain bees among wasps.

        To be specific, bees are a “Cladistically included but traditionally excluded taxa” of wasps, since they are within Apocrita.

        The common-language definition of wasp is literally “A member of Apocrita … except bees (and ants)”.
        It’s the same situation as saying a chicken is a dinosaur, and why the field often uses “non-avian dinosaurs” instead for clarity.

        This wikipedia diagram from the Aculeata article is a bit more concise:

        Take now for example Stephanoidea, “a superfamily of parasitic wasps within the Apocrita”. Clearly wasps, yet equally closely related to yellow-jackets and honey-bees.

        Edit: mixed up Aculeata and Aulacidae. Edit2:

        If you go further into Apoidae, even there you still find plenty more “clearly wasp” type species:

        Take Sphecidae:

        Or Philanthidae:

        All on the same level as actual bees (Anthophila).

        I think also in terms of vibes it feels right to call bees a subset of wasps.