I don’t think it’s useful to classify people into good and evil. I think the exercise of power is a vice and some people get addicted to it. Causing other people to suffer (and getting away with it) is an exercise of power, and it’s one of the most accessible ones, because there’s always someone you can hurt if you look around. Children, homeless people, criminals, or anyone else deemed unworthy of protection by the more powerful. I reckon some people may be more susceptible to it the same way some people are more susceptible to alcohol addiction, but it’s complicated and there’s a lot I don’t know about how abuse of power compares to abuse of alcohol. But classifying them as evil is a thought terminating cliche: they do bad things because they’re bad people, simple as that. I think thinking about other people that way lets us self-justify a lot of horrific shit in the name of punishing bad people.
Please fuck all the way off with this sniveling, hand-wringy “We just really can’t know for sure” plausible deniability crock of shit you scraped off of Milo Yiannopoulos’s jackboot. There is no other context in which this sign makes sense other than as a joke, and prison rape is the punchline.
Just to reply again, touch some fucking grass and realize there are real people here, if you actually gave a shit it’d be pretty clear from my post history I’m so far from right wing your assumptions are preposterous but enjoy the rest of your day.
The strong language is a cumulative result of other people who have made similar dismissive arguments in the past, so I can see why my response might seem disproportionate if you were just commenting off the cuff. I stand by it though. And your point about your politics is pretty relevant to this whole sordid thread: it’s not just the political right who thinks it’s acceptable (or even to be celebrated) that some people are subjected to rape, torture, or other grotesque violations of human dignity so long as they’re “Bad People”. It’s a true bipartisan issue, and it’s precisely the flaw in human thinking that enables people like Trump to label certain groups “Bad People” and then use the justification of “punishing the Bad People” to seize control and entrench their faction in power. Nobody ever thinks of themselves as “Bad People” so they are often on board, or at least indifferent, because 1) they are not Bad People themselves and 2) after hearing about it for so long, they’ve internalized that the Bad People probably deserve it.
One of the problems with downplaying or questioning “jokes” in this vein is that it pivots the conversation from “is it cool to ‘joke’ about someone being raped” to “was this person even really making a joke in the first place?”, which allows the joke itself a pass, which normalizes the idea behind the joke because the debate itself is stifled.
This is not a joke: I and a lot of my friends and family are in considerable danger right now as a result of years of “jokes” about trans people, immigrants, “radical leftists”, etc. normalizing violence. So please don’t condescend to me about touching fucking grass.
We already figured this out. We have fines, overnights in jail, short and long prison stays, even “state’s gonna kill you back you killer.”
We don’t do “hurting kids means anal penetration by strangers”. Not even if you blend half the planet into a smoothie—we’ll kill you but with whatever injections manufacturers are willing to make, not with sandpaper.
Such things could be codified but presumably would run afoul of conventions (IDK if Geneva applies if not war).
Rape isn’t a part of what we’ve decided to apply as punishment (and again we’re even down to kill, since sometimes we’re super sure we’ll never regret things we can’t take back and aren’t worried about moral high ground).
As a rape victim I’m just gonna say that Trump deserves far worse than rape, I physically recovered he doesn’t deserve even an iota of a possibility towards physical recovery. Mind you I say this partially because he is a rapist, lash him to a cross and hit him with WP.
as a rape victim, you’re using your rape as an excuse to be a reactionary Christian little freak. being a victim doesn’t give you a right to get all fashy with it
For one I ain’t Christian, for two my status as a rape victim has little to do with my sadism and overt bloodlust. For three, why shouldn’t I wish for them to suffer a agonizing and brutal death? Theyd wish the same for me and my fellows, even if they handwring and bitch when one of their pathetic welps gets his neck blown out. Frankly they don’t deserve the benefit of civility.
Fuck this. No. This is so much of what’s wrong with this fucking country.
No. Let’s not reinforce prisons as torture camps. For fuck’s sake.
Besides, the punishment for high treason is death.
Because there are many wrongfully imprisoned? Maybe we need better laws and no corruption instead?
This is apparently a hot take with this crowd but I think you are entitled to basic human rights even if you’ve committed a crime.
You’d be disgusted at how many people are morally bankrupt & evil & masturbate to the thought of break laws & getting away with it.
I don’t think it’s useful to classify people into good and evil. I think the exercise of power is a vice and some people get addicted to it. Causing other people to suffer (and getting away with it) is an exercise of power, and it’s one of the most accessible ones, because there’s always someone you can hurt if you look around. Children, homeless people, criminals, or anyone else deemed unworthy of protection by the more powerful. I reckon some people may be more susceptible to it the same way some people are more susceptible to alcohol addiction, but it’s complicated and there’s a lot I don’t know about how abuse of power compares to abuse of alcohol. But classifying them as evil is a thought terminating cliche: they do bad things because they’re bad people, simple as that. I think thinking about other people that way lets us self-justify a lot of horrific shit in the name of punishing bad people.
It doesn’t have to mean anything beyond him having a cellmate named bill.
Please fuck all the way off with this sniveling, hand-wringy “We just really can’t know for sure” plausible deniability crock of shit you scraped off of Milo Yiannopoulos’s jackboot. There is no other context in which this sign makes sense other than as a joke, and prison rape is the punchline.
Just to reply again, touch some fucking grass and realize there are real people here, if you actually gave a shit it’d be pretty clear from my post history I’m so far from right wing your assumptions are preposterous but enjoy the rest of your day.
The strong language is a cumulative result of other people who have made similar dismissive arguments in the past, so I can see why my response might seem disproportionate if you were just commenting off the cuff. I stand by it though. And your point about your politics is pretty relevant to this whole sordid thread: it’s not just the political right who thinks it’s acceptable (or even to be celebrated) that some people are subjected to rape, torture, or other grotesque violations of human dignity so long as they’re “Bad People”. It’s a true bipartisan issue, and it’s precisely the flaw in human thinking that enables people like Trump to label certain groups “Bad People” and then use the justification of “punishing the Bad People” to seize control and entrench their faction in power. Nobody ever thinks of themselves as “Bad People” so they are often on board, or at least indifferent, because 1) they are not Bad People themselves and 2) after hearing about it for so long, they’ve internalized that the Bad People probably deserve it.
One of the problems with downplaying or questioning “jokes” in this vein is that it pivots the conversation from “is it cool to ‘joke’ about someone being raped” to “was this person even really making a joke in the first place?”, which allows the joke itself a pass, which normalizes the idea behind the joke because the debate itself is stifled.
This is not a joke: I and a lot of my friends and family are in considerable danger right now as a result of years of “jokes” about trans people, immigrants, “radical leftists”, etc. normalizing violence. So please don’t condescend to me about touching fucking grass.
I think the person you’re replying to was just pissed off that you were being obtuse about this being a rape joke. It is very clearly a rape joke.
Look I agree but some plausible deniability lol.
I think prison should be for rehabilitation
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it’s nice to know that rape victims deserve it as long as they do something you don’t like
Nice to know Lemmy now defends CHILD RAPISTS, MASS MURDERERS, AND THE ENDER OF HUMANKIND!
would you personally rape him or would you watch from the sides while you get off to it?
Cough I’d pay someone else to do that crap, duh. Why do I have to suffer that filth?
Now where tf do you find someone that would want to touch Donald Trump?
Someone who rapes kids deserves a bad time in prison…
We already figured this out. We have fines, overnights in jail, short and long prison stays, even “state’s gonna kill you back you killer.”
We don’t do “hurting kids means anal penetration by strangers”. Not even if you blend half the planet into a smoothie—we’ll kill you but with whatever injections manufacturers are willing to make, not with sandpaper.
Such things could be codified but presumably would run afoul of conventions (IDK if Geneva applies if not war).
Rape isn’t a part of what we’ve decided to apply as punishment (and again we’re even down to kill, since sometimes we’re super sure we’ll never regret things we can’t take back and aren’t worried about moral high ground).
As a rape victim I’m just gonna say that Trump deserves far worse than rape, I physically recovered he doesn’t deserve even an iota of a possibility towards physical recovery. Mind you I say this partially because he is a rapist, lash him to a cross and hit him with WP.
as a rape victim, you’re using your rape as an excuse to be a reactionary Christian little freak. being a victim doesn’t give you a right to get all fashy with it
For one I ain’t Christian, for two my status as a rape victim has little to do with my sadism and overt bloodlust. For three, why shouldn’t I wish for them to suffer a agonizing and brutal death? Theyd wish the same for me and my fellows, even if they handwring and bitch when one of their pathetic welps gets his neck blown out. Frankly they don’t deserve the benefit of civility.
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Come on.