It’s less of a conspiracy and more that it didn’t even occur to society until pretty recently (in historical terms) that reproduction isn’t solely a woman’s responsibility
This sounds like it would make sense on the surface, but is just not true. You can look up pretty easily that there wasn’t really any research on the viability of male hormonal birth control until half a century after female hormonal birth control became a thing, so it’s not like they made a rational decision based on scientific findings. When they found out how to do it for men, it was roughly comparably complicated, with similar side effects. This too is easy to look up.
It makes sense that the side effects were too much to legalize hormonal male birth control because today’s standards are much higher. Which is a good thing ofc- im glad they don’t allow new medication as easily as they did in the past. Female birth control wouldn’t be legalized if it was invented today, and neither would, for example, aspirin. They get to stay around because they don’t take that stuff back out usually, even if it wouldn’t pass modern standards. That’s a bit of a tangent though.
Many men would LOVE a reliable, non-condom, male-controlled birth control method
Currently for men there are two options — condoms, which are problematic and difficult in several ways, or vasectomy, which is essentially permanent or at least difficult and uncertain to be reversed.
The third method is to take WAY too many TOO HOT baths, but that also has uncertainty and is a real hassle.
As it stands, really for men they either need to use a condom, or trust that your female partner is reliable.
Is that why men have been wrapping their dicks in all sorts of weird shit for thousands of years? Animal intestines and bladders to name but a few. Fuck your “in historical terms”, youre talking out of your arse, just like every other sexist who makes hating men part of their personality.
Why is everyone in this thread acting like men are always the ones providing and insisting on using barrier methods? Have yall talked to a woman who’s had casual sex before about what it’s like out there?
Yes, men AND women are both taking responsibility. Just because you can point to few cases of morons, doesnt make “women are sluts who use abortion as birth control” anymore true than the bullshit youre pedalling. But nice try, trying to get out of the “historical terms” bullshit, but shifting the focus to modern day… Doesnt at all make you look desperate to be right, regardless of facts…
Theres bad apples in every bunch. Only a bigot tries to frame that bad apple as the whole bunch.
Ignore whatever the fuck you like. Youre bigoted cunt, and thats all there is to it. You dont like being called out? Have you tried, not being a perpetually online sexist piece of shit? Fuck you.
It’s less of a conspiracy and more that it didn’t even occur to society until pretty recently (in historical terms) that reproduction isn’t solely a woman’s responsibility
This is sexism. Its not true, as evidenced by the facts I gave to you that you obviously looked up to find out they were true, because you didnt push back on them. Things like this are why women are all terrified of men. Because people like you keep on pushing that narrative that men treat sex as something to do TO women, not WITH women.
Once again, just because SOME men are pricks, doesnt make it OK for you or others to tar “ALL MEN” with their actions.
Imagine what men might say about women, if we applied the actions of the few to the whole? What would we sound like? Incels… And we know what we all think about them, dont we…
I said society. The word ‘men’ isn’t even in the thing I said that you quoted. Much less ‘all men’. Both men and women saw reproduction as a woman’s responsibility. Can you explain why that’s a sexist thing to say? Or, if it’s not true, why nobody tried to research male hormonal birth control at the same time they were researching female hormonal birth control?
Also, I didn’t have to look that up. It’s common knowledge. But, as I said, there’s no reason to believe your claim that barrier methods were ever solely men’s responsibility. You didn’t even really offer evidence or a justification for that claim.
I also never said men are pricks. I said that the responsibility to use barrier methods isn’t always on men and that women who have casual sex with men could easily confirm that. There’s people who are being responsible and people who are being irresponsible of any gender. Once again, I’m just taking issue with your claim that barrier methods are and always were men’s responsibility.
It’s less of a conspiracy and more that it didn’t even occur to society until pretty recently (in historical terms) that reproduction isn’t solely a woman’s responsibility
Well yes. But it also occured to society that stopping 1 egg per month is easier than millions of sperm every day.
This sounds like it would make sense on the surface, but is just not true. You can look up pretty easily that there wasn’t really any research on the viability of male hormonal birth control until half a century after female hormonal birth control became a thing, so it’s not like they made a rational decision based on scientific findings. When they found out how to do it for men, it was roughly comparably complicated, with similar side effects. This too is easy to look up.
It makes sense that the side effects were too much to legalize hormonal male birth control because today’s standards are much higher. Which is a good thing ofc- im glad they don’t allow new medication as easily as they did in the past. Female birth control wouldn’t be legalized if it was invented today, and neither would, for example, aspirin. They get to stay around because they don’t take that stuff back out usually, even if it wouldn’t pass modern standards. That’s a bit of a tangent though.
Many men would LOVE a reliable, non-condom, male-controlled birth control method
Currently for men there are two options — condoms, which are problematic and difficult in several ways, or vasectomy, which is essentially permanent or at least difficult and uncertain to be reversed.
The third method is to take WAY too many TOO HOT baths, but that also has uncertainty and is a real hassle.
As it stands, really for men they either need to use a condom, or trust that your female partner is reliable.
100% agree. The fact that they’re only researching it now has been hurting everyone involved.
Is that why men have been wrapping their dicks in all sorts of weird shit for thousands of years? Animal intestines and bladders to name but a few. Fuck your “in historical terms”, youre talking out of your arse, just like every other sexist who makes hating men part of their personality.
Why is everyone in this thread acting like men are always the ones providing and insisting on using barrier methods? Have yall talked to a woman who’s had casual sex before about what it’s like out there?
Yes, men AND women are both taking responsibility. Just because you can point to few cases of morons, doesnt make “women are sluts who use abortion as birth control” anymore true than the bullshit youre pedalling. But nice try, trying to get out of the “historical terms” bullshit, but shifting the focus to modern day… Doesnt at all make you look desperate to be right, regardless of facts…
Theres bad apples in every bunch. Only a bigot tries to frame that bad apple as the whole bunch.
Ok I’ll ignore the name calling one last time.
I’ll put it super simply, in the hope that you misunderstanding me wasn’t as intentional as it comes across
barrier methods have always been, and continue to be, a shared responsibility
all other non-permanent methods have been purely on women until very recently.
Ignore whatever the fuck you like. Youre bigoted cunt, and thats all there is to it. You dont like being called out? Have you tried, not being a perpetually online sexist piece of shit? Fuck you.
Can you please point out the thing I said that you consider sexist, and why? I’m striving not to be, and like to learn where I can.
This is sexism. Its not true, as evidenced by the facts I gave to you that you obviously looked up to find out they were true, because you didnt push back on them. Things like this are why women are all terrified of men. Because people like you keep on pushing that narrative that men treat sex as something to do TO women, not WITH women.
Once again, just because SOME men are pricks, doesnt make it OK for you or others to tar “ALL MEN” with their actions.
Imagine what men might say about women, if we applied the actions of the few to the whole? What would we sound like? Incels… And we know what we all think about them, dont we…
I said society. The word ‘men’ isn’t even in the thing I said that you quoted. Much less ‘all men’. Both men and women saw reproduction as a woman’s responsibility. Can you explain why that’s a sexist thing to say? Or, if it’s not true, why nobody tried to research male hormonal birth control at the same time they were researching female hormonal birth control?
Also, I didn’t have to look that up. It’s common knowledge. But, as I said, there’s no reason to believe your claim that barrier methods were ever solely men’s responsibility. You didn’t even really offer evidence or a justification for that claim.
I also never said men are pricks. I said that the responsibility to use barrier methods isn’t always on men and that women who have casual sex with men could easily confirm that. There’s people who are being responsible and people who are being irresponsible of any gender. Once again, I’m just taking issue with your claim that barrier methods are and always were men’s responsibility.