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Help me out. What is this picture and what should I know.
Lsd is often distributed and consumed via small paper squares called “tabs” that’s made on blotter paper. The paper is thick like cardstock. Sometimes with colorful psychedelic artwork printed on it.
The lsd is diluted in a solution and the paper is soaked in the solution.
The tiny microscopic lsd crystals deposit on the paper. The blotter paper is divided into
1cmsquares. Correction. 5mm squaresLsd is neutralized by many chemicals , including chlorine (found in tap water) and stomach enzymes. It cannot be swallowed and still have an effect. Unless mixed with other compounds. This property was for dmt/ayuhasha and not lsd. Apologies. Chlorine can neutralize LSD and is found in tap water but I can’t find the resource for how much chlorine is in an average ml of tap water and how much is needed to neutralize 100ug LSD on a paper tab, right now, so I’ll retract that statement until I feel like digging more for the research on it.To take LSD, a person will place squares (typically one square is 1x 100ug dose) of the paper on the tounge or under it. And hold for about 5 -15 minutes. Some people take more than one. It can’t kill you. There is no overdose . But it can lead to accidents in high doses that can kill you. So it’s not risk free even if health risks are low.
Also I said ug. Not mg. The lsd drug is very unique in that it has high potency at micrograms. Fentanyl is another drug that has that property . But it is rare.
The lining of the mouth (mucus membranes) allows for easy transfer of the drug into the blood stream. That’s true for a lot of drugs actually.
This is why lsd has such a unique drug delivery method though.
It can’t be swallowed andit should be used in very small doses.Lsd is also very resistant to degredation. Oxygen, sunlight, and neutralizing chemicals like chlorine can degrade it. But if it’s stored properly it can last a very very long time. This is another rare property it has. Many other drugs degrade even when stored in air tight containers in dark and cool environments (like opiates).
It’s also clear, tasteless, and no odor.
I’m a perception researcher and , of course, this would be a drug on my radar. So I know quite a bit about it but I’m not a pharmacologist , I’m a cognitive researcher. I’ve given a lecture on psychedelics. It’s a fascinating topic.
Also I’m generally interested in psycho-pharmacology because , well, it’s interesting.
If you want to learn more interesting facts about LSD and other psychedelics, ask away.
**Guy in picture has two tabs (squares of blotter paper) on his tongue and is wearing sunglasses because lsd dialates your pupils and makes your eyes sensitive to light.
LSD absolutely can be swallowed, I don’t understand where all these myths come from and how they keep being propagated over decades and decades when it is a very simple thing looking it up.
Also, LSD is not crystallizing onto blotter. It is absorbed into the paper fibers from a solution. That is not how crystallization works.
Jesus there is more… Chlorine can degrade LSD under certain conditions, but trace chlorine in tap water does NOT reliably neutralize it in vivo.
Lsd is also very resistant to degredation.
LSD is chemically fragile. It degrades with light, oxygen, heat, acids, bases, and oxidizers. What you are saying is the opposite of how chemists describe LSD.
I’m a perception researcher
lol, sure you are.
What would you call the structure of the lsd molecule that deposits on the paper?
It is refered to as a crystalaline structure in papers.
Nothing I said about long term storage contradicts the specifics of the things that do break it down.
So take lsd and go star gazing.
Yes, but… it’s really hard to stay focused. Everything is kinda awesome to look at, so I have forgotten about the stars and zoned on my surroundings or my hand or a hundred other things. I like tripping in the woods or at the beach best personally.
Novelty is a common effect that people don’t talk about much. Essentially it makes everything seem new and novel.
What’s interesting is, in the brain there is a specific spike in electrical activity (called event related potential, or ERP) that happens when you look at something new and unexpected. Some call it the novelty indicator. Designated P3a.
You can measure it with eeg equipment (electrodes on the scalp).
I’d be really interested to see if that ERP is happening more on LSD. It might shed more light on the mechanisms of the drug. If it doesn’t happen, then it would challenge the theory of what the P3a is.
I personally think LSD has a lot of potential to be used to research perception processing in the brain.Too bad it’s basically impossible to get approval to use it for that reason.
Incorrect about acid in the stomach. Most DOX and nbome chems are neutralized by stomach acid and during the mid 2010 acid drought swallowing tabs was considered the simplest way to avoid unwanted DOX trips.
Source: the hundreds of tabs that I swallowed and still had a good time
Edit: Tons of chemicals are active on the hundred microgram scale. Most benzos, nearly all psychedelics, a handful of antipsychotics ect. And if we go active at >10mg, which is impossible to dose without a .000 scale, the list gets even bigger. I appreciate the attempt at an informative post but it’s got a few dangerous points of misinformation.
I’m concerned that somebody giving lectures about this topic is as uninformed as you seem to be. Have you taken acid? The subjective experience is as important as the objective. It’s like listening to my cop uncle talk about weed but couched in academia.
Most drugs/medicines are taken in higher doses because the body filters or neutralizes the compounds so much that only a small portion gets into the blood.
That’s still different.
Even if the total quantity of the drug is small in the system once it gets there, it’s not the same as how LSD works. The drug, likely because of its similarity to serotonin and size , is readily absorbed into the blood stream and passes the blood brain barrier easily. It is not filtered out to a small percentage of it’s original dose like most drugs/medicines.
You surely are aware of this ?
There are very few drugs that can work in small dosages like LSD. As I said, fentanyl is one.
Drugs like DMT /Ayahuasca also can’t be ingested unless they are mixed with a maoi inhibitor.
Most psychedelic research chemicals (nbome) are much different than lsd with different pharm and effect properties.
It’s possible that LSD is released more quickly on the tongue than nbome drugs. So as soon as it hits the tounge the drug is delivered. I don’t think there is research on this. But I’ll look into it. I do know that the first trip was caused by a small contact of the drug on someone’s hand. That the cleaned off immediately. And it was enough time to absorb a substantial amount of the drug.
I heard women would put on lipstick and smear LSD on the front and kiss police during protest to dose them. If That happened it might support a very fast delivery.
I can’t find the source right now to verify the story. I’ll keep looking. Maybe I have details wrong. Maybe it was Charles Manson instructing women to do this. Does this story sound familiar to anyone ? I’ll have to find the source and verify.But my point is.
This idea that it’s not neutralized in the stomach is false. There is plenty of research on that.
Look up Clonazepam, I’m not going to argue with somebody that is as confidently incorrect as you are. I have a decade and a half of subjective experience and personal research into the chemicals I have put into my body, and spent countless hours talking with people that know even more than I do. Yes, LSD is very active in small amounts. So are plenty of other chemicals and calling it unique because of that is incorrect.
Also, stomach acid does nothing to neutralize LSD in any meaningful way, please stop saying that. You’re entire last 2 paragraphs are unsubstantiated myths and things only squares believe. The amount of LSD that Hoffman splashed on his hand likely contained thousands of doses.
I HAVE EATEN HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF HITS OF LSD AND SWALLOW ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. SWALLOWING LSD DOES NOT PREVENT IT FROM WORKING. I WILL GIVE YOU TABS TO FUCKING TRY IF YOU WANT
Yeah this bozo has no clue what they’re talking about.
Honestly, damn. That sounds like a very interesting topic. If I wanted to learn more what resources would you recommend? (preferably textbooks/articles)
You know there isn’t much in a single location aside from Wikipedia.
In textbooks I’ve come across , there is discussion of the pharmacology properties or a brief note about counter culture and general effects.
There is limited research on the drug as it’s been black listed for almost 50 years and even now, it’s primarily only researched for terminally ill people/mental health. Only a handful of those studies exist and none use double blind controls so the science quality is poor.
I myself am not convinced it has mental health benefits due to the way the drug works. It does however have strong suggestive effects meaning the drug itself promotes placebo/expectation effects.
The lecture I put together for my class (perception and sensation ) pulled info from a wide range of resources.
However there is one organization trying it’s best to do modern research and they have done some MRI studies. There was also a study on LSD and synesthesia which sheds a lot of light into the mechanisms. MAPS is the organization. https://maps.org/
They have videos on YouTube with researchers discussing the research and studies they have done. But they mostly focus (last few years at least) on it’s use in mental health.
The drug property information I know about is mostly pulled from old research from the 60s before the research bans. A lot was done on animals to understand dosage and half life. The cascade effects of how this drug works are still not really understood. We do know that the drug is similar in structure to serotonin. But there are still a lot of unknowns.
Let me dig around for my resource links. I have a few interesting studies I found when preparing the lecture, including the synesthesia one, and I’ll organize it all and I’ll put a link up to a g drive with it.
The lecture I did was 3 hrs long about hallucinations with a chunk dedicated to psychedelics. It did rely on other lecture materials to understand or otherwise id just put it up. (It was the final lecture for the class so it referred back multiple times to previous lessons). But maybe I can re-write it a bit. I’ve honestly been thinking of turning it into a video for a while because there are so few resources out there that review it more broadly. And a hell of a lot of misinformation about hallucinations and psychedelics.
Basically this lecture was on hallucinations and the primary causes and how each of these causes relies on the same root changes in brain processing.
For instance. You are driving on a country road at night. Vigilant to look for deer. Multiple times you were sure you saw an animal near the road but soon realized it was a fence post. Or an old glass bottle reflecting your headlamps. But for a split moment you did see an animal there before you corrected the perception.
What ultimately caused that is what causes hallucinations in other situations. Like schizophrenia and drug use.
So we circle around neuroscience, psychiatry, physiology, and pharmacology. As well as cultural impacts influencing the experience of hallucinations or psychedelics.
This is getting long. Apologies. The lecture is 3 hrs and relies on many other hours of information. It’s a big topic.
All this and you don’t even link to erowid?
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd.shtml
You don’t seem like a very good researcher.
also, PsychonautWiki…
Erowid is personal opinions of drug users.
I don’t lecture about how much acid you should drop or how to prepare for a trip. I give a lecture on the cognitive and physiological changes the drug causes.
I use scientific resources.
Other people are welcome to use personal stories and opinions to inform themselves but we don’t use anecdotes in academia because none of them can be verified and are heavily subjective.
Doesn’t mean they don’t have value. Doesn’t mean the information is false.
It just means it’s not scientific.
Erowid is personal opinions of drug users.
Among other things, including many links to scientific resources.
This is such a bad take that I again question your research methods.
Erowid is not a scientific resource.
Just because some people refer to scientific articles in their explanations does not mean, it, itself, is a scientific resource.
For instance. What I posted in the comments is not a scientific resource.
Even if I used links to actual resources. The resources are. But my comment is not.
Because it is not verified or peer reviewed.
Opinions, even those founded on science, are not scientific resources unless they meet other standards.
You can definitely swallow it
Your stomach acid will definitely neutralize it. But after having it on your tongue for a while the drug has been deposited into your system.
You’re confidently wrong:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2772632023000338Mate the first line of that publication is flat wrong
This review is on lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), which has a halogenic effect and is addictive.
LSD is not addictive. I’m not going to bother reading any farther after such a ridiculous claim.
Well literally anything can be addictive. People are addicted to gambling, to buying things online. To buying action figures or labubus.
But because lsd does not cause euphoria effects, it’s not typically considered chemically addictive. But there is not a complete consensus on this in the scientific community. Because it can still be behaviorally addictive. But as I said. Literally anything can be behaviorally addictive so that’s almost a moot point.
How much acid have you taken yourself? Because it definitely works when swallowed.
After re checking this information, I believe I was confusing DMT and LSD properties of not being active when ingested.
I remembered DMT can’t be ingested but I was sure it was true for LSD. But I was mistaken. LSD is neutralized by base not acids.
And where do we get it 😂
Dark web
Don’t even have to go that far. LSD variants like 1V-LSD can be purchased on the clear web with a credit card. Took about 1 week to be delivered from Canada to the US, and was the most potent acid I’ve ever tried.
Bro went to Mecca tripping on acid.
Everyone talks about the drug part, but not the rest. So, filling in on this one.
The black thing right there is The Kaaba, the holiest place of Muslims. People on the background are completing Ṭawāf - holy pilgrimage to The Kaaba, which ends in going around it seven times in a counter -clockwise direction.
People there normally wear special clothes and chant holy phrases as they go around. For Muslims, it’s a very serious and spiritual event.
The dude poses in a way that says “hey, I’m gonna get spiritual with THIS” while completely disregarding every rule about being there.
(Muslims and other knowledgeable folks are welcome to correct me)
Also this is what the inside of Kaaba looks like in case anyone was curious.
damn, I didn’t even know there was an inside, ngl pretty damn cool
It bothers me that it’s a cube and asymmetrical inside.
why is the door off center to the wall?! gah.
(and another thank you, never realized there was an inside you could go inside of, I always assumed it was a sealed tomb.
It’s also not a cube!
It is 12x10,5x15 m.
LSD usually comes soaked into small clips of paper usually just called ‘tabs’, which come initially as sheets with tear lines seperating each tab. You tear off one, pop it on your tongue, and suck on it, and within a few hours it kicks in.
This guy had two tabs from the look of it and is about to probably have a very spiritual experience.
alternatively you can just keep a tab on your tongue or between your gums and you won’t have to wait a few hours, just roughly one hour
(lsd absorbs wherever it is in your body, but your mouth is closer to your brain where you want it ending up)
I am guessing he has some sort of drugs on his tongue? Could use a couple more pixels.
Definitely more enlightenment than the group average… that size of the crowd however
Seems like a nightmare tbh
anything more than 1 tab always sends me to the dark side
Two spiritual journeys for the price of one
Well, he has two tabs, so more like two spiritual experiences at the same time instead.
Eh, 1200 mics at the minimum IMHO, step it up
This thread is academia with no tangible experience telling users they are wrong about the drug they use. It’s both hilarious and very concerning. The OP has next to no idea what he is talking about despite claiming to have researched the topic. Perhaps the literature is severely lacking, perhaps the cut and dry nature of research misses a lot of the obvious, I don’t know. But a person claiming to be educated on the subject saying swallowing your dose degrades the chemical, implying it won’t work, concerns me. The further pushing of public myth without substantiation (lipstick bs) makes me concerned about the academic integrity of everything said before. They even admit that they are spreading unverified information. But also, if this is where you’re getting your information about LSD, you’re already on the wrong track. DM me if you want to talk with somebody experienced about LSD.
I specifically said I wasn’t sure about that story and asked if anyone else was familiar with it. I only gave two possible supports for an alternative explanation. However I also later checked and clarified the specifics of stomach neutralization in an additional comment.
I have no knowledge either way. But what if he’s right and you’ve been wasting half your lsd by swallowing? That would be very sad. Have you tried sticking it in the roof of your mouth, or whatever he’s suggesting?
Of course I have, when I am certain it’s LSD. There is zero noticeable difference. Hundreds if not thousands of doses, more than a decade of use.
