A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.
What’s the difference between terrorists and the resistance to an occupation?
I suspect you are not asking in good faith, but I’m answering anyway: Methods and goals. Hamas methods are clear: Legitimate resistance doesn’t deliberately and as a core policy murder, abduct and rape civilians. Hamas are no different from IS in this regard, which nobody calls resistance or freedom fighters.
Goals: Hamas actual and openly stated goal is the creation of a global Islamic caliphate and the murder and/or enslavement of all “nonbelievers”, not the liberation of the Palestinian people.
How many Palestinian prisoners do the IDF hold from the west bank?
How are they taken?
What level of evidence is required for them to be ‘arrested’?
Do they face the same legal processes as the Israeli ‘settlers’ when arrested?
What is the difference between the words ‘hostage’ and ‘prisoner’ to you?
How many Palestinian prisoners, including children, are reported raped each year in prison?
I’m all for the establishment of a free Palestinian state, but Hamas has to go.
Preferably through police action rather than the genocide that is a military intervention by Israel.
Anyway, the Israeli government is in the wrong on all the counts you raised, but Hamas still needs to go. They’ve been fully co-opted by all sorts of outside groups, and their rule in Gaza before October 7th was one of fear and oppression. They are no one’s saviors, they’re just the meanest bastards in the prison, lashing out at the guards while abusing the other prisoners.
The actual path to peace is a multinational police and peacekeeping force to come in and take over from the IDF, keeping the IDF out of it completely, and then opening up Gaza and the West Bank to the rest of the world. Possibly even ejecting the settlers from the West Bank and giving the land back.
But a large part of this would be arresting Hamas leadership.
And don’t think I’d let the IDF and Israeli government off scot-free for their part in all this. I’m sure there’s plenty of room in the local prisons for all the bastards in this mess.
The end goal might be a single, secular state, where all people are guaranteed full rights and protections by the government.
There is no opening Gaza or The West Bank to the rest of the world though, every nation bordering either one has built walls, minefields, and razorwire barriers to prevent any movement into or out of those areas, and there are no air or seaports.
There is no opening Gaza or The West Bank to the rest of the world though, every nation bordering either one has built walls, minefields, and razorwire barriers to prevent any movement into or out of those areas, and there are no air or seaports.
There is no opening Gaza or The West Bank to the rest of the world though, every nation bordering either one has built walls, minefields, and razorwire barriers to prevent any movement into or out of those areas, and there are no air or seaports.
Well that’s a lie.
This seems to directly contradict the claims of the actual Hamas statements we are looking at right now.
Interesting that you can pick and choose which Hamas leader statements to believe in forming this narrative. Also, it is a little ironic that you claim others are engaging in bad faith while you manipulate which statements are valid from the same source.
Certainly not the views of some western kid who only cares after 7 decades because the internet told him to be outraged
Here’s a fun game: Ask people who shout “From the river to the sea” which river and which see are meant and what this statement implies. The results are unsurprising.
The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he’s not Palestinian.
I married a Jewish woman who told me she doesn’t know what that means. Cause she’s Canadian and has no interest in the politics of a country across the planet. So why people like you take it out on her, simply because of her heritage, I have no idea… Oh no wait I do, as a native I am well aware of your tactics.
That quote reminds me of another one I heard “from sea to shining sea” where you guys colonized, raped and killed us and took all our land from sea to shining sea
I’m not American. You criticized me for making an assumption about people by making an assumption about me.
Also, is it really that unreasonable to ask of people to look up what they are shouting? To have even a passing knowledge of what they decided to protest for or against?
The distinction comes from the ends they seek and the means they go about achieving those ends.
-prayer of Sheik Ahmad Bahr
I could easily get behind a platform that acknowledges that 7 million Jews now live in Israel and forcing them out (or even worse, killing them) would be a humanitarian catastrophe, but instead Hamas’ position is just as unyielding and genocidal as what Bibi’s admin has been waging upon the people of Gaza and the West Bank. They’re only now talking about laying down their arms because it benefits their attempts to paint themselves as the reasonable party in this conflict which I find to be a farce. More conflict and death benefits both Likud and Hamas.
Are you going to spam the same quote from some dude that’s already dead all over the thread? The fact you can’t find anything more recent than is astounding. Let’s do it the other way around:
I posted it twice, somehow that qualifies as spam, fucking lol. Fuck that lady and the other genocidal maniacs at the wheel in Israel.
-Fathi Hamad, 2018
That recent enough for you? Fathi is still kicking as well. It’s quite easy to find more.
Yeah thats indeed a bad statement. Looks like Hamas made him walk it back and he apologized.
Hamas official walks back call to Palestinian Diaspora to kill ‘Jews everywhere’
It is a pretty pathetic indictment of Israeli leadership when Hamas has the more responsible rhetoric. I hope it’s not just them yelling at him for saying the quiet part out loud. My hope is Hamas can follow a similar trajectory as the IRA/Sinn Fein did in Northern Ireland, but I unfortunately don’t see that happening with Likud on the other side of negotiations
“Whoopsie! So sorry I called for a global genocide there. Never meant a word of it”
Oppressed people tend to conflate the attributes of their oppressors and generalize everyone with those attributes.
Slaves often started to hate every white person instead of just slave owners.
As israel constantly screams they represent all Jews, and commit all their crimes in the name of Judaism, some Palestinians (mistakenly) conflate the two.
Luckily Hamas as an organization does not and clearly separates the two. Hamas has also never murdered a Jew outside of israel. Because they do not target Jews. They target the people that colonize their land.
Unlike israel where half the cabinet screams they want to murder every Arab and Ethnically Cleanse their land.