• dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
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      It’s the duality of man, sometimes people can do great things at the same time as doing terrible things.

      We should just realise that people are good and bad and not hold people on pedestals.

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        Shockingly, there are in fact scientists that do great things that aren’t terrible on the side like Schrödinger or Feynman. If people properly called them out, maybe we’d have more.

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          Yeah, we should ensure the fame of better scientists, like Dr Wernher von Braun, who contributed to rocketry and the development of the Saturn V rocket as well as the V2 which was the first long range rocket used for military purposes–hmmm–by the na–oh no. Uh nm.

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            I didn’t know Dr Wernher von Braun had such importance in pop culture.

            As I wrote, there’s no point cancelling his work. I just want to stop hearing about his stupid cat once and for all. I don’t need it to get an understanding Quantum Physics. In fact, the whole thing is even more confusing for people with no background in the field.

            If Humanity can’t come up with a good quantum physics related pun, we might indeed deserve to be replaced by AIs.

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              I wish the fact that the USA immediately started hiring Nazis and giving them places of honour and comfort immediately after WWII was big in pop culture. Awareness was the only reason for that comment btw, not trying to make a statement about honouring bad people who made a famous contribution to science or that all scientists have skeletons in their closets. I just think everyone should be aware that some scientists went from helping the Nazis kill scores of UK civilians to living comfortable upper middle class lives in the US.

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        I don’t give a flying fuck about the “duality of a man”. As I said, we can’t cancel the work of this POS. What we can do is letting his story die among other not so famous scientists but nonetheless more relevant even in the eyes of science. Those who deserve to be known and reminded.

        My dad liked that quote “You die twice. First when your body shuts down. Second the last time someone ever pronounces your name”

        So if you don’t mind, let’s kill that motherfucker once and for all.

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          Curious, non native English speaker?

          Reminded is more like to make them remember. Remembered would be the word.

          Also, pronounces kinda works, but simpler would just be the word “says”, or to add a more ominous tone “utters”.

          No judgement, actually positive judgement… it’s very good English. And better than I speak any other language.

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          Sure. Which other scientist who first designed Schrödinger’s Cat experiment should I refer to by name, then?

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            The S. Cat experiment has always been a pun. It argues that the cat is in superposition of state, which is absurd. That was a bad dad joke from the very beginning.

            So what you’re asking is basically “how do I tell the joke without telling the joke?”

            And my answer to that is maybe you simply shouldn’t tell that joke because it’s bad.

            There are tons of better quantum physics jokes. Go watch an episode of Futurama

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                It can be both. The pun was created to highlight the supposed shortcomings of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics.

                The whole setup is purposefully grotesque.

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          It’s just an unrealistic expectation is alls I’m saying. The fact is, people will remember his name in 10,000 years because he is a part of history and you can’t rewrite history.

          Let’s agree to disagree aye.

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              Sure bring it to people’s attention, as I didn’t know either, but I was arguing that we can’t scrub the dude from history as that’s just a deluded expectation.

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                No need to even bring it to people’s attention. The guy is known among normies for a maybe virtual cat at best and not much else. That’s his contribution and importance to humanity and general audiences won’t need to recall anything else. Crying to bring to attention the whole pedophile thing outside of academia (or heck, even in academia, how does it even affect the experiment?) is pretty much self-defeating in that sense.

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            I think in 10,000 years he’ll be in the books, but people won’t be making memes, and the average person won’t know anything about him.

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      Also his cat example was an attempt to disprove the Copenhagen interpretation, because he disagreed with it. The cat in the box was the most ridiculous thing he could think of to show how stupid it is.

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          He made a excellent argument for it though. That is his legacy. In fucking up and failing to disprove quantum theory by giving a simple explanation for it he became universally known.

          **In truth Schrodinger was a loser. **

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      Also, the thing about the cat…. He posited the situation as a farse. He was making fun of others who were saying that the world worked that way.