Anti-zionism is not antisemitism.
“kill the Jews” and “death to the Jews” are antisemitic not anti Zionists. JFC
Solid attempt at pretending to miss the point.
The point being that you’re ignoring the actual content you’re responding to?
If you really wanna play out that conversation, here’s how that goes:
I say “The vicious Nazi graffiti doesn’t belong in the same category as the anti-zionist protest signs”
And you say “Those protest signs aren’t just anti-zionist, they’re antisemitic. If you’re calling for the end of the state of Israel, you’re calling for the extermination of Jews everywhere.”
And I say “So if you really just wanted to say that anti-zionism is antisemitism, why did you pretend to agree in your first reply?”
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But we don’t need to bother with that tedious BS, because I can use my super hacker skills to… view your comment history.
You’re trying to replicate OP’s original sleight-of-hand.
Placing unequivocal Nazi shit in the same category as people calling for international law to finally be applied against a decades-long genocidal regime, and then saying “You gotta tolerate or detest 100% of these things in one fell swoop. It’s a bundle deal. And remember, I put some Nazi shit in there!”
If you’ve watched just 2-3 hours of news coverage in the past 8 months, you’ve seen this play before. It doesn’t – or it shouldn’t – fool anyone anymore, and you should be embarrassed to even try it.
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Yes it is, and its a smokescreen to say it is not.
Your downvotes doesn’t make your racism not exist. Mobs always think they’re right. Fuck all of you.
Saying an imperialist Jewish ethno-state is bad is the same as saying Jews are bad!
Yeah, you’re not real bright.
Do you care to back up your claim at all or are you just going to go with “these two distinct words with distinct definitions actually mean the same thing because I said so” the same way TERFs and transphobes talk about sex and gender?
Is it possible to support the black community in America without supporting black separatism?
It can be but it isn’t necessary. I am a Jew and not a Zionist. Obviously the example above is anti simetic, but there are peaceful (but depending on your views perhaps tenuous) arguments against the state of Israel
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We don’t stand for this, the bottom picture are 2 graffiti made by people who we don’t know, or when they were made, and 2 protestors with anti-Israel posters, not anti-Semitic. The wide movement of protests are absolutely not anti-Semitic, and you trying to post shit like this conflating anti-zionism with anti-Semitism is disgusting
The star of David makes the posters ambiguous they could refer to either Israel or Jews. The grafitti in the images is explicitly antisemitic. Splitting hairs over this is pretty gross imo. I don’t like crticiism of Israel being called antisemitic, but that doesn’t make antisemitism suddenly ok
Dude, nobody is saying the graffiti is not anti-Semitic, it literally says “kill the jews”, how on earth would that not be antisemitic. I’m saying they’re putting the graffiti on top of protestors in an obvious attempt to conflate antizionist protests with antisemitism
It’s not hard to distinguish between Jews and Israel. Those words I just used do the job. The protestors could do the same
In both signs, you can clearly see it’s the flag of Israel because of the blue stripes on top and bottom.
… And are you REALLY saying that the “final solution” phrase in this context doesn’t seem just a tad antisemitic? Look, I’m opposed to Israels actions but I think you’re being willfully blind
People have attacked synagogs for Israel’s actions because of the star of David. People conflated the two. It would be great if people did nuance. They do not
Yeah, some people have done that shit. I’m not arguing “there’s no antisemitism anymore”, that would be ridiculous, and antisemitism sucks. What sucks too is using antisemitism broadly to accuse non-antisemitic but anti-zionist protests against genocide in Gaza.
I agree. But I think it behoves people protesting against Israel to be very clear on that point and using the star of David and phrases like “the final solution” is the very opposite of that. To me, that looks pretty antisemitic. I say that as an atheist who detests the actions of the Israeli state and who has been pro Palestinian for decades. Bottom line, hatred of any group is appalling and people need to be clear that’s not what they’re doing
As I keep saying.
If you accuse those against Israel as being antisemitic, you’re gonna make more of them actually antisemitic
Genocide is bad. Racism is bad. Mmmmkay.
That’s all that should need to be said.
I don’t care who’s genociding, it’s wrong
I don’t care who’s the racist, it’s wrong
I don’t care for their reasoning or defenses, they are wrong regardless.
Tolerate neither, ever
I feel like the “keep the world clean” is a really badly drawn israeli flag where it looks more like the star of david than the israeli flag. Rest is just disgusting antisemitism
Absolutely 100% agreed. The organizers of the Palestinian protest should have kicked them out.
Not only is this despicable, it dilutes the very important effort of raising awareness of what Israel is doing in Gaza.
Paid actors?
Dunno. There’s idiots everywhere.
My last shred of hope. Why do people have to be dicks, like, all the time
Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity
Uh, who’s standing for either one of those besides fucking shitheads?
Um, we don’t?
Of course. Shouldn’t need to be said, but here we are
Are you implying there are people who didn’t stand for the first image and might stand for the second?
Jews should not be faced with Antisemitism
In my opinion leftists should create a Zionist symbol to separate Israel(the state) from Jewish people.
If they can convey the separation of the two for normies that would help their rhetoric game massively. (Israel ≠ Jewish people)
I stand by all effort to deny fascists the luxury of an effective narrative (Israel=Jewish people)
I mean the girl with the poster with the trash bin clearly put the Israeli flag in it, not just the star of David. If that’s going to be called antisemetic then there’s no symbol you can really use without getting called antisemetic for it.
yeah and the other protest one has the american flag in the middle so it to points to governments. I mean the graffitti at the top is not necessarily related to protests at all. You can always find shitty graffiti. Im sure I could walk around the city and within an hour find something with fag written somewhere.
That being said, using “the final solution” in that context does not look good.
Huh? The flag of Israel already does not mean all Jews. It’s a state, not an ethnicity or religion
There is no symbol that can realistically do this. The symbol is just the vessel, and it’s subject to change. Defund the police, turns into, well, the police just need more training, turns into, well the police are underfunded, turns into, fund the police. There’s not like, a way by which you can easily meme your way out of it, because it’s just what happens. The best defense has always just been a kind of moving target.
Op is totally not a propagandist. Just memes he likes
Yeah… I can denounce nazis while and at the same time denounce what Israel is doing in Gaza with a clear conscience.
I think you are mixing up the Star of David with the Israeli flag, which has the star on it.
Edit: I didn’t notice the 2 smaller photos, that shit is unacceptable.
Well yeah, antisemitism is antisemitism. Antisemites can and should fuck off, and we should aid them in that process.
