• barsoap@lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    Somehow I have the feeling that this is not going to convince people who think that 0.9999… /= 1, but only make them madder.

    Personally I like to point to the difference, or rather non-difference, between 0.333… and ⅓, then ask them what multiplying each by 3 is.

    • Buglefingers@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      The thing is 0.333… And 1/3 represent the same thing. Base 10 struggles to represent the thirds in decimal form. You get other decimal issues like this in other base formats too

      (I think, if I remember correctly. Lol)

    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
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      5 months ago

      I’d just say that not all fractions can be broken down into a proper decimal for a whole number, just like pie never actually ends. We just stop and say it’s close enough to not be important. Need to know about a circle on your whiteboard? 3.14 is accurate enough. Need the entire observable universe measured to within a single atoms worth of accuracy? It only takes 39 digits after the 3.

      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zip
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        4 months ago

        There are a lot of concepts in mathematics which do not have good real world analogues.

        i, the _imaginary number_for figuring out roots, as one example.

        I am fairly certain you cannot actually do the mathematics to predict or approximate the size of an atom or subatomic particle without using complex algebra involving i.

        It’s been a while since I watched the entire series Leonard Susskind has up on youtube explaining the basics of the actual math for quantum mechanics, but yeah I am fairly sure it involves complex numbers.

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          4 months ago

          i has nice real world analogues in the form of rotations by pi/2 about the origin (though this depends a little bit on what you mean by “real world analogue”).

          Since i=exp(ipi/2), if you take any complex number z and write it in polar form z=rexp(it), then multiplication by i yields a rotation of z by pi/2 about the origin because zi=rexp(it)exp(ipi/2)=rexp(i(t+pi/2)) by using rules of exponents for complex numbers.

          More generally since any pair of complex numbers z, w can be written in polar form z=rexp(it), w=uexp(iv) we have wz=(ru)exp(i(t+v)). This shows multiplication of a complex number z by any other complex number w can be thought of in terms of rotating z by the angle that w makes with the x axis (i.e. the angle v) and then scaling the resulting number by the magnitude of w (i.e. the number u)

          Alternatively you can get similar conclusions by Demoivre’s theorem if you do not like complex exponentials.

    • DeanFogg@lemm.ee
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      5 months ago

      Cut a banana into thirds and you lose material from cutting it hence .9999