Anytime I hear “labour shortage” I remember what it really means is not enough people willing or able to work slave wages.
Japanese unemployment rate seems to be around 2,6%. They might genuinely lack truck certified people, especially depending on how many of that % is short term unemployed and whatnot
Japan’s population is aging, which is true of all developed countries. Pretty much every other developed country solves this with immigration, something Japan has avoided.
Who do that if robots work though
If you overhaul society so that it doesn’t end up being just the uberwealthy earning even more profits while even less entry level jobs are available to most of the population.
I don’t get it. Does immigration have some advantage to robots in this case?
Then pay to train people and ensure them a stable job. Offer a sweet deal, as workers are supposed to be agents who work in their self interest. The capitalism the right uses to argue for freer markets should demand this, but when capitalists get angry about labor shortages and act like they simply deserve loyal workers, it shows that they never gave a shit about liberal ideals. They only want to fuel their greed and fucked up desires to own other human beings as much as they can.
You mean to switch a job? Because we don’t know if those unemployed people are just temporarily between jobs, alkies, shut-in neets or what. Just paying to train them might not be a silver bullet, could just mean some other field will now face the employee shortage
And then the, “free market,” will decide what’s important based on how necessary it is for society. It will drive innovation to get more efficiency from workers, while disincentivizing poor conditions that would cause employees to jump ship for better work.
Besides, forklift operators are less necessary for society to function than something like doctors or nurses. While the free market can adjust for forklifts by training operators and decreasing the volume of non necessity sales the forklifts handle, lack of healthcare workers leads to far more death and suffering. That destabilizes society and hurts productivity in serious ways.
It’s actually in the best interests of the wealthy to ensure services like healthcare are affordable and that those workers are paid well. Not only could them or their loved ones experience medical emergencies where their wealth can’t be leveraged fast enough, but their workers will be less productive than those in countries with good healthcare, who will eventually out compete them.
The delusion of the rich and powerful is that they believe it’s possible to win at the game of exploitation and cruelty in the modern era. Some fail to grasp that people will always be dangerous when you make them miserable, attacking whatever they think is the threat. Some elites recognize the danger of unhappy people, using tribalism and hate for others to redirect the anger. However, this leads to war internally and externally, and modern war is worse than war of the past. It’s easy to destroy, and hard to prevent destruction. The costs of war are massive, and exploitation of other humans is the fuel for all human conflict. Good faith deals that benefit everyone are the best way to prevent violence in a closed system like earth.
If an apple costs a dollar and you don’t wanna pay that, there isn’t an apple shortage. The apples are there.
Gonna be so funny when management goes into the warehouse themselves to clean up a collapsed product storage rack.
Let’s see where culpability lands after the first lawsuit, then I’ll decide if my forklift certification is in danger.
Also lol @ OSHA (is it even OSHA, or state level?) forklift certification courses, it’s so easy if you have any functioning memory you’ll pass the written, and the practical is a bigger joke.
If you need a refresher, this video has you covered (German with English subtitles, CW: Gore).
Absolute legendary clip
There was supposed to be a written portion? lol
When I did it I got to a question I didn’t know and I jokingly asked the instructor what the answer was and he said “I can’t give you the answers” and then after a short pause “but there isn’t a rule about you all talking amoung yourselves”
In the three places I worked with lift equipment, one had no training, one had a week long course, and one relied on “previous experience” until they could squeeze you in to the one day class they periodically held for the revolving door of workers.
Automated forklifts have existed for quite a while, though they’re in fully automated facilities and there’s no risk of running over humans. I’ve worked at 2 different companies working on autonomous forklifts that are intended to be safe around humans and I don’t think they’ll really be able to compete on a large scale with humans anytime soon. Humans are so much faster. There are some environments where autonomous forklifts exceed, like warehouses that store hazardous materials, warehouses that contain products that get routinely stolen by employees, etc.
What kind of products are in those warehouses that employees kept stealing?
Mostly phones, but also bluetooth speakers, headphones, and other small & valuable electronics.
They don’t need fully automated areas, we have a couple dozen JBT AGV’s at work. They are fitted with 3 extra sensors, but it is my understanding those aren’t strictly required for them to operate in aisles shared with drivers and pedestrians; more of an abundance of caution choice. While they are slower, they must be well worth it since more are added every year.
I don’t understand, haven’t these robots existed for almost 20 years? We’ve got a half dozen of these where I work moving pallets of stuff around the warehouse.
Because forklift operators operate where there are humans around and a single fuckup can mean a bloody and violent death, and with it huge penalties for procedures not being followed.
It is understandable to not want to essentially put your entire company at risk to roboticise a few jobs.
Oh no, now what are people going to shriek any time someone mentions college?
What am I gonna do with my certificate now?
fight for better pay/compensation instead of against innovation
Sounds like you should unionize about it
