• Spacehooks@reddthat.com
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      I agree but reality is voting third party is never going to teach DNC anything right now. So long as the GOP exists they will do something dumb again in 4 years. Both major parties are going to support Isreal in some way. Vote the gop out to the void and turn on the DNC next. This way at least maybe women in US won’t risk dying or jail time.

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        Vote the gop out to the void and turn on the DNC next.

        The question I keep asking and get no reply to is, how?

        How do we “turn on the DNC next”. In your scenario, we’ve just given them the unequivocal message that they can be assured of our votes no matter what their policies are, even supporting genocide doesn’t loose them votes, so long as the Republicans are worse.

        So, by what mechanism do we “turn on the DNC”?

        Why would they listen to a single protest, campaign, or speech knowing that their votes are secure no matter what?

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          DNC already know people only vote for them no matter what because the GOP is the big baddy and not even hiding it. DNC behavior over the years taught me that. Literally nothing the public will do will change their minds. They’ll pop champagne like those wall streeters.

          Yeah that’s the kicker. I know this is 100% hopful but in a ideal world GOP eats itself when Trump loses again and the DNC is now effectively replacing the GOP as the conservative party. I will 100% be telling people to vote third party to break the DNC. Of course I thought this would happen in 2020 but Trump rallied the GOP. DNC need to get what they deserve but I can’t risk my sisters safety over my wants to punish them. It’s like the anachrist communist meme. Truce until the revolution.

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            a ideal world GOP eats itself when Trump loses again and the DNC is now effectively replacing the GOP as the conservative party.

            Best answer I’ve had yet. I’m not convinced, but at least it’s a plan with an actual mechanism that isn’t contrary to reality.

            The reason I’m not convinced is that it would require politics to be far less Machiavellian than it is. All the while it’s in their best interests to have Trump-the-devil as their opponent, they’ll push that narrative, true or not. I think the Democrats will be too scared to push too far to the centre for the very reasons you’ve given, they might loose support to an actual left-wing and their donors simply won’t risk that. The Democrat’s job is to suck energy from actual left-wing campaigns. To do they they need to stay left, but not too left.

            And, of course, they need to convince millions of people more progressive than they are, to vote for them regardless because “the other guy…”.

            But still, I respect your plan. Hope I’m wrong, and it works.