New Palestinian testimonies reveal horrors of Israel's prisons
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In-depth: Harrowing testimonies from Tariq Abed and Al-Araby TV journalist Mohammed Arab reveal shocking details of torture, rape, and abuse in Israeli jails.

There are over 100 sick prisoners here with me, all of them from Gaza. Some have chronic diseases, some have been injured under torture, and all of them scream from the pain, as there is no treatment.

One day after your visit, a group of soldiers came with dogs, they came to where we were. They selected prisoners at random from every age group … children, young men, old men. They made them lie on the ground, face down, their hands tied behind their heads.

Then they set the dogs on them again, and then one of the soldiers tried to get one of the dogs to rape one of the prisoners! They teach their dogs to have sex with prisoners! Can you imagine?

They made the dogs attack them, tearing at the skin and flesh of the prisoners […], then they stood them up and put them in a corner where there was a big “iron window”. They put [the prisoners’] hands on the window, then began beating them on their backs, their buttocks, and their legs from behind.

They attacked another prisoner called “J.M.” in the same way - they beat him and abused him, and brought in dogs to rape him. They stripped him naked and put the dogs on top of him, they were ripping at his flesh, then a soldier came carrying an “electrical baton”, which emitted high-voltage electric shocks, and they started beating the prisoner on his genitals.

  • FelixCress@lemmy.worldEnglish
    542·
    3 days ago

    Fucking war criminals. We had Nuremberg Trials for German nazis, now we need new Nuremberg Trials for Israelis and Russians.

  • indomara@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8·
    2 days ago

    I read every line even though it hurts. I feel I owe it to them, to at least read their stories, remember their faces.

    How have we created such monsters?

    • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      2 days ago

      By tolerating the disease right up until it causes its host to dehumanize other people… and then we act shocked like it’s some new, separate disease.

  • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
    28·
    3 days ago

    The “Most moral army in the World” really showing their country’s “Western values” there…

  • IndustryStandard@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
    391·
    3 days ago

    There were no female soldiers there at all, they brought a prisoner they selected randomly; his name is ‘H.M.’ and they started torturing him until his screaming echoed in the space - they were hitting him viciously.

    Then they stripped him naked, put his body on the ground, and lifted up his buttocks then they brought a fire extinguisher, and started beating his backside with it. Then they inserted the fire nozzle into his anus and opened it…they raped him with a fire extinguisher, and they emptied it inside him, they were saying to him in broken Arabic: “We want to put out your pain and make you forget it”…then he lost consciousness.

    • Aralakh@lemmy.caEnglish
      321·
      3 days ago

      What in the actual fuck…that’s deplorable. Fuck Israel.

    • philpo@feddit.orgEnglish
      61·
      2 days ago

      Yeah, the second part is not feasible in the way mentioned in the article with the victim being alive and talking - putting a fire extinguisher into someone’s behind and releasing it will kill the person unless major surgical care is delivered within a very short timeframe (and even then chances aren’t too good).

      Pressure injuries from to the rectum do exist, as people are both horny as well as stupid/assholes. But a fire extinguisher is applying a pressure in the range of 15 bar. That would instantly tear the complete lower rectum and colon, even in cases where the pressure valve would not have been actually inserted into the victims anus but only released closely to it, as the sphincter does open up from far less pressure. A patient victimised like that would either bleed to death within a short time frame(minutes to hours) or die from sepsis (hours to days) with the first option being far more likely. It requires massive surgical and critical care efforts to even make people survive that - and measures that are easily recognised decades later. The patient would receive a anus praeter (articial stoma in the abdominal wall) and require weeks to month in hospital - under ideal treatment situations and only if not dying before that could be started.

      Additionally the substances within a fire extinguisher are highly problematic - military fire extinguishers are almost always powder or foam based. The powder used is highly irritating to the body (and depending on the type plain toxic) and would absolutely killed a guy from the reaction alone. The foam is also highly toxic and irritating in this capacity and would likely also kill the person without medical care.

      So no,as a healthcare professional who has seen a fair share of torture victims from Assad’s torture chambers, that report does not seem valid to me. (And I am doubtful that a arab only publication would be allowed to visit a prisoner in these facilities…twice)

      Don’t get me wrong, I am very sure that there is torture and major human rights violations going on in the Israel’s “detainee/military prisoners” system and these are beyond bad. But creating false/fake news discredits the real reports.

  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    2 days ago

    Does not surprise, their are interviews from the older IDF soldiers who fought during the 1960’s, 70’s and 80’s and they talked about scenes that would make an NKVD or SS soldier proud. Simply disgusting and the old coots were smiling and laughing about it.

  • Kokesh@lemmy.worldEnglish
    156·
    3 days ago

    No. You are not allowed to say this! Don’t say anything bad bout jews, you antisemites!

  • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
    128·
    3 days ago

    Funny how people are so quick to accept anything people say about what Israel does but then turn around and argue about the evidence from 10/7.

    • foggenbooty@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      3 days ago

      I agree that the source has bias, but that’s half the problem. Where is coverage from everyone else? If Isreal is not going to open up its detention centers to review or audit, then we have very little to go on and claims like this we have to accept as possibly true.

    • maplebar@lemmy.worldEnglish
      37·
      2 days ago

      The fact that people are downvoting you for scrutinizing this obviously shitty and biased source shows that they aren’t interested in the truth.

      Let’s all take side in a dumb fucking holy war that has nothing to do with us? Fuck that, give Israel and Palestine back to the Turks for all I care.

      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        62·
        2 days ago

        This is about Zionism and Settler Colonialism.

        Partition

        The Zionist position changed in 1928, when the pragmatic Palestinian leaders agreed to the principle of parity in a rare moment in which clannish and religious differences were overcome for the sake of consensus. The Palestinian leaders feared that without parity the Zionists would gain control of the political system. The unexpected Palestinian agreement threw the Zionist leaders into temporary confusion. When they recovered, they sent a refusal to the British, but at the same time offered an alternative solution: the partitioning of Palestine into two political units.

        • Pg 132 of Ilan Pappe - A History of Modern Palestine

        On 31 August 1947, UNSCOP presented its recommendations to the UN General Assembly. Three of its members were allowed to put forward an alternative recommendation. The majority report advocated the partition of Palestine into two states, with an economic union. The designated Jewish state was to have most of the coastal area, western Galilee, and the Negev, and the rest was to become the Palestinian state. The minority report proposed a unitary state in Palestine based on the principle of democracy. It took considerable American Jewish lobbying and American diplomatic pressure, as well as a powerful speech by the Russian ambassador to the UN, to gain the necessary two-thirds majority in the Assembly for partition. Even though hardly any Palestinian or Arab diplomat made an effort to promote the alternative scheme, it won an equal number of supporters and detractors, showing that a considerable number of member states realized that imposing partition amounted to supporting one side and opposing the other.

        • Pg 181 of Ilan Pappe - A History of Modern Palestine
        Ethnic Cleansing and Settler Colonialism

        Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.

        This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.

        The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:

        Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:

        While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements

        The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.

        Apartheid Evidence

        Amnesty Report

        Human Rights Watch Report

        B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer

        Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing

        Peace Process and Solution

        Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

        How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

        ‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

        One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

        Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.

        Historian Works on the History
        • maplebar@lemmy.worldEnglish
          17·
          2 days ago

          Cool propaganda copy pasta, dude. How much does it pay to post that?

          Real talk: neither Israel nor Palestine existed as nations 100 years ago, and the Levant has been under control of like a dozen or more factions and empires over the last 2000 years. Arab Muslims only exist in Gaza today because of the violent conquest of the Rashidun Caliphate ~650AD and the genocide and cultural erasure of those who lived their before.

          Modern day Palestinians were handed a country by the League of Nations and the keep losing territory by fighting wars against the Israelis that they aren’t capable of winning. I fully expect that Israel will further shrink their territory as a result of the latest chapter of their decades long conflict, so maybe they should writing checks that their asses can’t cash.

          • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldEnglish
            61·
            2 days ago

            Hate to break it to you but it’s Israel who pays for disinformation campaigns to dehumanize Palestinians and erased their history and connections to the land. See the first three books linked in the last section of you want to learn the history of the region. Palestinians have been a people for thousands of years.

            First documented in the late Bronze Age, about 3200 years ago, the name Palestine, is the conventional name used between 450 BC and 1948 AD to describe a geographic region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River and various adjoining lands. This work explores the evolution of the concept, histories, identity, languages and cultures of Palestine from the Late Bronze Age to the modern era. Moreover, Palestine history is often taught in the West as a history of a land, not as Palestinian history or a history of a people. This book challenges colonial approach to Palestine and the pernicious myth of a land without a people (Masalha 1992, 1997) and argues for reading the history of Palestine with the eyes of the indigenous people of Palestine. The Palestinians are the indigenous people of Palestine; their local roots are deeply embedded in the soil of Palestine and their autochthonous identity and historical heritage long preceded the emergence of a local Palestinian nascent national movement in the late Ottoman period and the advent of Zionist settler-colonialism before the First World War

            • maplebar@lemmy.worldEnglish
              26·
              2 days ago

              Hate to break it to you but it’s Israel who pays for disinformation campaigns to dehumanize Palestinians and erased their history and connections to the land.

              You’re a fool if you think that propaganda ans disinformation only exist on one side of this conflict, or any conflict for that matter.

              Regardless, I’m instantly suspicious of any person online whose initial response in a comment is an obviously copy-pasted wall of cherry-picked information which paints one side as the forever victim and the other as a infinite aggressor. And then your next response is to quote that same shit to me again? That only makes you look less like a person discussing the matter in good faith. Is that wrong?

              First documented in the late Bronze Age, about 3200 years ago, the name Palestine, is the conventional name used between 450 BC and 1948 AD to describe a geographic region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River and various adjoining lands.

              If we’re going to talk about the modern English name “Palestine”, maybe we should reflect on the fact that it comes from Hebrew:

              Pəlištī (פְּלִשְׁתִּי; plural Pəlištīm, פְּלִשְׁתִּים), meaning ‘people of Pəlešeṯ’ (פְּלֶשֶׁת)

              Peleset was indeed more or less the region that we think of today as “The Gaza Strip”, and was most certainly not a contiguous or well-defined region spanning “the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River”. Regardless of what your propaganda says, there is no evidence at any point in history of a single “Palestinian” nation “from the river to the sea”. That’s a fabrication, in my opinion. But maybe you have a legitimate historical source?

              Further, the Philistines (the original tribal people from Peleset) had very little in common with today’s Palestinians–whose culture is derived almost entirely from an Arab Muslim tradition forced upon them during the genocidal conquest of the Islamic Rashidun Caliphate ~650AD.

              Today’s nations of Israel and Palestine are mere creations of the British and the League of Nations after the fall of the Ottoman Empire post-World War I. Throughout recorded history the Levant has been under the control of various empires and factions (the Ottomans, the Islamic Caliphate, The Byzantines, the Romans, the Persians, the Greeks, the Egyptians, and so on). Today’s Israelis and Palestinians both have legitimate historical claims over land in the region dating back hundreds, if not thousands, of years (much like Native Americans have a legitimate historical claim of America’s lands dating back thousands of years or more), but that means very little in the context of modern geopolitics and the people who lived in the Levant in the Brozne Age has very little resemblance or cultural similarity to those who live there now, obviously.

              Maybe that’s a tough pill for people here to swallow, but I don’t care about that because it’s simply the truth.

              • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 days ago

                Regardless, I’m instantly suspicious of any person online whose initial response in a comment is an obviously copy-pasted wall of cherry-picked information which paints one side as the forever victim and the other as a infinite aggressor.

                One side is the Colonizer one is the Colonized. Of course there is anti-colonialist violence, that’s most of what People have heard about. Except without the context of the history of ethnic cleansing and Apartheid.

                But maybe you have a legitimate historical source?

                Yes, the first book referenced in my last section by Nur Masalha. The 8th chapter in particular. The first chapter starts with the history of the Philistines and the subsequent history of the people and region. You may find it interesting

                Today’s Israelis and Palestinians both have legitimate historical claims over land in the region dating back hundreds, if not thousands, of years

                Nothing about what I’ve posted has claimed that Israelis Don’t have a right to exist. My point is that they don’t have a right to ethnically cleanse the native population and that the solution is a Bi-National One State Solution with equal rights for all.