They are deporting citizens from other counties to a black site known to torture and detain criminals all over the world. Like that lady from Canada a month ago who spent 2 weeks in a cell.
The US has been put on human rights watchlists.
Their police actively kill first ask questions second. They kill so many innocent black people that the world formed Black Lives Matter in support.
Keep staying delusional I guess till Trump starts building those gas chambers.
Guys guys, settle down. Two countries can be horrible dictatorships which don’t care about it’s citizens human rights. It doesn’t need to be a contest. Both of you have a popsicle and go play on the swings.
Buddy I didn’t deny anything about how our own government is actively an authoritarian regime or any of the shitty things it is doing. But we still are not at People’s Republic of China (PRC) levels yet. We do not actively censor the media on the same level as PRC where even the slightest hint of disapproval is enough to be disappeared, yes though the waters are being tested here. For now we still have elections on the state level that can mean something since more than one party can run. We are still allowed to protest here without just being shot on sight. We have an uncensored internet for the time being so I do think it is fair to say we are not as bad as the PRC.
The sacred rituals of Western civilization-- the election and the press-- were long ago subsumed by capital. You don’t need to formally censor when the oligarchs own the media and will skew the messaging to serve their interest. You don’t need to have a single party state when the Overton window has been dragged so far right that no electoral outcome can actually oust billionaire rule.
At least, in that context, we can ask who censorship serves? Is it about social cohesion and stability, or preserving the privilege of a handful of people?
In regard to China, it serves a handful of people. Specifically those Party members which less than 3% of the population and have enriched themselves and their families to create a perpetual ruler class at the expense of the other 1 billion.
You ever hear the expression those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones? It means sort your own shit out before pointing fingers and others.
Your country has zero right to call out anyone else for their hypocrisy. Also, refresh my memory, what US company helped the Nazis by building machines they could use to process Jews for extermination? IB… something… A US company.
I ain’t goddamn pointing fingers, just merely highlighting the goddamn difference in the shittiness of the two. Why the fuck can’t you get it through your thick ass skull that I agree on the larger point but though it was a bad move to say we are worse than a nation which has been doing ethnic cleansing and genocide for literal decades?
Not everything is a black and white, agree or disagree. Maybe just maybe there are shades of gray where you can agree but not wholeheartedly agree. You do more damage to your own side by arguing with people who agree with you when you do this.
China is also supporting genocide abroad, they are helping prop up Putin’s war in Ukraine. Which Russia is kidnapping children to “reeducate them and give them proper parents” while slaughtering civilians. China is also a one party state and brutally suppresses any attempt at a protest. Their interest and their media are highly censored and any mention of criticizing the state can get you disappeared or sent to a “reeducation camp”.
I’m not dismissing the shitty things we have done and are doing. Nor am I denying we are actively flying towards the competitive authoritarianism that China has. But as of right now we are not as bad as China is.
Russia/Ukraine is a state vs state territorial conflict involving genocide with most of the Western world in support of Ukraine.
Israel/Gaza is an occupation with six times the civilian death toll, involving widespread systemic destruction of infrastructure, forced displacement, inaccessibility to healthcare and starvation.
While both are genocides, the imbalance is particularly horrific in the latter. The Russians seem to have a preference for abducting children and placing them in “Russification” camps to erase their heritage while Israel simple kills Gazan children in cold blood.
This is not an apples to apples comparison and I think many would consider the US looks worse, in this particular comparison, than China.
I don’t think any one supports persecution of the Uighur people, nor the Tibetan people, nor laying claim to Taiwan. It should be taken in the context of those that America persecutes. Currently that’s Palestinians, to an extent Venezuelans, and likely soon to be Ukrainians.
America did terrible things but seemed to want to be better. Now it is just doing terrible things and many revel in the evil.
China is still actively committing genocide against the Uyghurs so I’d would definitely not say the last one
They are deporting citizens from other counties to a black site known to torture and detain criminals all over the world. Like that lady from Canada a month ago who spent 2 weeks in a cell.
The US has been put on human rights watchlists.
Their police actively kill first ask questions second. They kill so many innocent black people that the world formed Black Lives Matter in support.
Keep staying delusional I guess till Trump starts building those gas chambers.
Guys guys, settle down. Two countries can be horrible dictatorships which don’t care about it’s citizens human rights. It doesn’t need to be a contest. Both of you have a popsicle and go play on the swings.
That’s a bingo!
I don’t know anyone with a modicum of brains to debate that one lol. Every county has skeletons. Every. One.
Governments don’t care about you. Anymore than a stranger would.
Governments are just strangers that happens to be in positions of power.
Buddy I didn’t deny anything about how our own government is actively an authoritarian regime or any of the shitty things it is doing. But we still are not at People’s Republic of China (PRC) levels yet. We do not actively censor the media on the same level as PRC where even the slightest hint of disapproval is enough to be disappeared, yes though the waters are being tested here. For now we still have elections on the state level that can mean something since more than one party can run. We are still allowed to protest here without just being shot on sight. We have an uncensored internet for the time being so I do think it is fair to say we are not as bad as the PRC.
The sacred rituals of Western civilization-- the election and the press-- were long ago subsumed by capital. You don’t need to formally censor when the oligarchs own the media and will skew the messaging to serve their interest. You don’t need to have a single party state when the Overton window has been dragged so far right that no electoral outcome can actually oust billionaire rule.
At least, in that context, we can ask who censorship serves? Is it about social cohesion and stability, or preserving the privilege of a handful of people?
In regard to China, it serves a handful of people. Specifically those Party members which less than 3% of the population and have enriched themselves and their families to create a perpetual ruler class at the expense of the other 1 billion.
You ever hear the expression those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones? It means sort your own shit out before pointing fingers and others.
Your country has zero right to call out anyone else for their hypocrisy. Also, refresh my memory, what US company helped the Nazis by building machines they could use to process Jews for extermination? IB… something… A US company.
So again… what???
I ain’t goddamn pointing fingers, just merely highlighting the goddamn difference in the shittiness of the two. Why the fuck can’t you get it through your thick ass skull that I agree on the larger point but though it was a bad move to say we are worse than a nation which has been doing ethnic cleansing and genocide for literal decades?
Not everything is a black and white, agree or disagree. Maybe just maybe there are shades of gray where you can agree but not wholeheartedly agree. You do more damage to your own side by arguing with people who agree with you when you do this.
That’s not what that phrase means
Yeah but we’re actively genociding our own people and other countries peoples.
We’re technically even shittier
China is also supporting genocide abroad, they are helping prop up Putin’s war in Ukraine. Which Russia is kidnapping children to “reeducate them and give them proper parents” while slaughtering civilians. China is also a one party state and brutally suppresses any attempt at a protest. Their interest and their media are highly censored and any mention of criticizing the state can get you disappeared or sent to a “reeducation camp”.
I’m not dismissing the shitty things we have done and are doing. Nor am I denying we are actively flying towards the competitive authoritarianism that China has. But as of right now we are not as bad as China is.
The US has dropped over 40 bombs a day for the last 20 years. China hasn’t dropped a bomb in decades.
The only reliable natural disaster around! Beat that tornadoes!
Israel/Palestine
“China is also supporting genocide abroad, they are helping prop up Putin’s war in Ukraine.”
I understand that, my point on that was China is doing the same thing. And again not dismissing the things we are doing.
Russia/Ukraine is a state vs state territorial conflict involving genocide with most of the Western world in support of Ukraine.
Israel/Gaza is an occupation with six times the civilian death toll, involving widespread systemic destruction of infrastructure, forced displacement, inaccessibility to healthcare and starvation.
While both are genocides, the imbalance is particularly horrific in the latter. The Russians seem to have a preference for abducting children and placing them in “Russification” camps to erase their heritage while Israel simple kills Gazan children in cold blood.
This is not an apples to apples comparison and I think many would consider the US looks worse, in this particular comparison, than China.
We are supporting the Russian genocide of Ukraine also, so……
We’re technically shittier than them.
Did you even read the first line properly?
I doubt it
Yeah and McDonalds keeps genociding all those potatoes to make fries, its bullshit. What’s genocide mean again?
Extermination of an ethnic, religious, or nationalist group
This can be achieved through murder, reeducation, banning cultural practices, or diluting the population so their customs become lost
Can people make up their mind if they are against or for religion already?
Religion is fine in the privacy of your own home or place of worship
It’s when it enters public life that it becomes a problem because then it’s infringing on other people’s rights
I don’t think any one supports persecution of the Uighur people, nor the Tibetan people, nor laying claim to Taiwan. It should be taken in the context of those that America persecutes. Currently that’s Palestinians, to an extent Venezuelans, and likely soon to be Ukrainians.
America did terrible things but seemed to want to be better. Now it is just doing terrible things and many revel in the evil.
And the constant warmongering in the middle east.
The U.S. was never good.
The american people have tried to be better and the government has said fuck you every time.