• PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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    The party’s incompetence is its own; the results of an election are on us.

    “But the anti-fascist coalition wasn’t exciting enough! And they weren’t competent enough for my tastes! So I decided to let the fascists win” is abso-fucking-lutely on the voter.

    More than one actor can be guilty at once. Shocking, I know.

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      the Democrats were not “the anti-fascist coalition”, the politicians at least were pretty uniformly agreed on continuing their preferred genocide.

      You were arguing that their genocidal behavior was a lesser evil than what the Republicans are capable of. That may be true, but it doesn’t suddenly make the Democrats an anti-fascist coalition.

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        21 days ago

        The Democrats were literally the anti-fascist coalition against the Republicans openly promising fascism. Sorry that you think Alligator Auschwitz is just “business as usual”.

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            21 days ago
            1. If supporting Israel, a fascist state, in foreign policy makes one fascist (a point of view equivocating support with total identification that I strongly disagree with, mind) the vast majority of the US is fascist, including a supermajority of Dem voters, and you aren’t going to win a democratic election on an anti-fascist platform.

            2. Harris expressed a shift away from the unconditional Zionism of Biden and was punished by voters for it. Surely that will teach the DNC to [checks notes] support Israel less.

            “But we let the MORE Zionist candidate win because we OPPOSE Zionism!”

            Damn bang-up job of expressing that, like beating a dog for not coming to you fast enough when ordered.

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              1. the genocidal terror entity couldn’t do the genocide it’s been doing without endless US bombs, air defenses, and aircraft carriers attacking their enemies that are blockading them. The Democrats have participated in this genocide because as Biden said: “if Israel didn’t exist we would have to create one to protect our interests in the region”

              If “winning” means electing people to represent me who then go on to co-sign a genocide I would rather lose and be done with the charade.

              1. She did nothing of the sort, and any lip service given it was too little too late. They swapped her in at practically the last minute, long after the point where there could have been a primary. Maybe someone who wasn’t already vice president during a literal genocide could have stood a better chance.

              Both candidates are zionist, The outcome is the same. Republicans are architects of the final solution, but Democrats would willingly participate as long as it polled well and was spread out on a manageable timeline that was not too visible.

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                the genocidal terror entity couldn’t do the genocide it’s been doing without endless US bombs, air defenses, and aircraft carriers attacking their enemies that are blockading them.

                “Israel couldn’t do it if the Houthis weren’t suppressed!”

                Fucking lol.

                If “winning” means electing people to represent me who then go on to co-sign a genocide I would rather lose and be done with the charade.

                Congratulations, you get your wish. Now millions more people will be murdered, including millions more Palestinians. Congratulations on being an even bigger Palestinian genocide supporter than Joe fucking Biden! It’s no small achievement, so if you want, I can find you a sticker to wear proudly, if you like.

                She did nothing of the sort, and any lip service given it was too little too late. They swapped her in at practically the last minute, long after the point where there could have been a primary. Maybe someone who wasn’t already vice president during a literal genocide could have stood a better chance.

                Love the scattershot reply to a simple statement. Keep beating that dog, it’ll come to you eventually.

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                  and aircraft carriers attacking their enemies that are blockading them.

                  “Israel couldn’t do it if the Houthis weren’t suppressed!”

                  Fucking lol.

                  the point is that they deployed multiple carrier strike groups to protect shipping to Israel, that’s pretty direct support. The attacks have been making an impact.

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                    “to protect shipping to Israel”

                    Golly gee, it’s sure a good thing that shipping to Israel is what the Houthis have been targeting all this time, right?

                    … r-right…?

                    The Houthis are Iranian proxies whose primary concern is serving Iranian foreign policy interests in disrupting international trade that has very little to do with Israeli shipping and resulted in fucking Egypt sending forces along because of how damaging its been to trade through the Suez Canal (very little of which goes to Israel).

                    Not only that, but by your own argument, the Houthis aren’t suppressed, which raises the fucking question of why Israel seems to be carrying on with its genocide unimpeded (PROTIP: it’s because the Houthi blockade targeting random ships in international waters in order to disable the least important of Israel’s ports is not actually all that important to Israel except in delivering an easy PR win to Israel)

                    Even more astounding is that the Houthis are, themselves, literally genocidal, yet they get unabashed bootlicking from supposed leftists over costing Israel a few billion dollars. How many billions of dollars more, do you think, will Trump be giving Israel compared to Harris? But apparently, critical support for pro-genocide lunatics who reduce Israel’s budget by a few meager bil only counts for the Iranian proxies, and not the anti-fascist coalition candidate.

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      21 days ago

      Two wrongs, as they say, don’t make a right. Or in this case, I guess, they do make a Right.

      Happy cake day!