New evidence confirms COVID-19 vaccines are overwhelmingly safe::More than 38 million COVID-19 vaccine doses have been administered in Ontario as of Oct. 8, with 23,002 reports of adverse reactions, an incidence of 0.06 per cent, Public Health Ontario says
Also, old evidence confirms it.
I guess whatever it takes to convince the skeptics. Though I figure nothing will convince them once they’ve made up their mind.
Cannot use logic to convince someone whose argument isn’t logical in the first place
I’ve always preferred it phrased as “You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into,” but same energy.
I don’t like calling them “skeptics,” because what they really are is super-gullible with regards to conspiracy theories.
“Science deniers” is a better description.
Step 1. Ask what someone thinks about vaccinations Step 2. Ask them what they think about evolution Step 3. Ask about climate change Step 4. Ask about what church they go to
You will learn so much of this overlaps. So much.
Flat earth. Crystals. Cupping.
Anything to avoid the reality that we’re fucking up society and the planet in favour of ‘we can fix it with woo’ or ‘it’s preordained that we’re all gonna die in god’s wrath-fire’. Neither will lift a finger to fix things.
Nobody wants to live in reality because it’s scary.
Seriously, I don’t know why this is news.
Wait, yes I do, half the population is stupid.
Well, about 33%.
Something something think about how dumb the average person is.
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Can’t get voted out if nobody’s left to vote. taps forehead
There was a 50/50 split in the US Senate when the vaccine came out. Every member of that group was vaccinated. They were the first members of the population to be vaccinated. If any of the ancient senators had died, the balance of power would have shifted in a huge way.
Now there’s a great premise for a sci-fi, like something Dick would write
The sound you’re hearing is goalposts being shuffled around.
Sometimes the goalposts are moved and merged with goalposts from other conspiracy theories.
When 5g wasn’t the end of humanity it became the trigger for a zombie virus…hidden in the vaccine!
Wonder what third thing will become the new first domino to knock over the 5g and vaccine dominoes.
Where’s that guy that turned into a Newt?
Tom Paris?
Just don’t drive really fast afterwards and you’ll be fine.
WTF, I’m on my first watch of Voyager and saw that episode yesterday.
I’m right here. It’s not as bad as you would think.
He got better
What’s the point of this? The people who already believe the vaccine is safe already know it. Those that don’t believe it’s safe aren’t gonna read this OR the report. They’ll claim it’s some sort of propaganda.
It’s important simply to do just for the benefit of science going forward. We need to look at the long term effects of medicines. Usually we do that prior to release. It also protects you from the propoganda. Someone may throw out crazy statistics at you but you’ll have this study in your back pocket so you can be like “yeah it’s crazy” and dismiss don’t debate.
And try not to get too downtrodden with humanity. Not everyone is a too far gone. Some are just a little lost.
Exactly this. What’s annoying is how people twist the process along the way.
For example, with the AstraZeneca vaccine there was this overblown controversy over blood clots. Every time you stick someone with a needle, their blood will clot, and there’s a chance that a chunk of this clot will break off into the blood stream. Sometimes, the thing you’re injecting makes it more likely to happen, and as such we closely monitor new injections to determine whether or not the issue is significant. AstraZeneca (or any other covid vaccine) has been shown to not significantly increase the risk of blood clots over any other injection - but that didn’t stop politicians (eg Boris Johnson in the UK) to parrot on about the handful of people who did develop blood clots as if it were a real issue. Of course, this led to AstraZeneca no longer being offered as a vaccine for many people; instead, Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were used. Wouldn’t you know it, Boris is personally invested in these companies. He shooed away the non-profit vaccine in favour of the for profit pharmaceutical mega-corporations that pay him dividends. And, of course, his statements actually reduced the uptake of vaccines in general.
Yeah, given how quickly alot of these were rushed out, due to the emergency we were in, there really should be follow-up research to prove their safety and efficacy. If only to provide additional evidence to anti-vaxxers who will argue against it. Even if the threat of Covid is seemingly behind us, who’s to say we’re not right back here in the next 5/10/20 years with the next pandemic that comes?
Misinformation works though. Antivaxer are rentlenless and they are always releasing studies to prove their lies. Combine that with social media algorithms that love controversy and this shit gets deadly.
To put it in perspective, the USA could easily have more people die of covid this year than fentanyl ODs but everyone is acting like the battle is over.
The fact that “believe” is the operating word here is why medical science should be spread.
It’s about noise. There needs to be more noise made that the vaccines are safe to protect future generations from falling down the same misinformation rabbit holes.
I like to be optimistic and believe every article erodes their confidence in “alternative medicine”.
There are people who will state internet article’s titles as facts. so it’s good to fight misinformation by information.
Totally not true, there’s …. Stuff. Dammit, the only thing I came up with to annoy the person giving me the shot was a one liner about improved 5G reception. And I used it twice: so cringey. Where are all the conspiracy nuts when you need them?
I asked for strawberry flavour
Sadly they’re right about one thing, most survive COVID.
Well, not sadly.
Anyone know where I can access the report mentioned? It doesn’t seem to be linked anywhere in the article, nor cited by a searchable name…
Nvm, found it on the website for Public Health Ontario
If this is trying to convince skeptics, it’ll do nothing. They’ll go back to Nancy on Facebook and exclaim how they’re putting 5G crystal-infused microchips into your body to turn you into a sky person. Literally nothing will convince the antivax.
Are Republicans still waiting for people who got the initial vaccine to drop dead overnight? lol.
Could we just say that all evidence confirms it?
We always knew/suspected this. But the ones that do the fearmongering around vaccines will not be interested in facts…
Not just that, but a lot of them see it as resistance to authority, even if they don’t think there’s a serious risk. This is inevitably what happens when things get forced and mandates get imposed. It naturally causes people to push back against it.
No, this is what happens in a rigidly individualistic western countries like the USA, UK, and Australia where people act like children screaming “you can’t tell me what to do!”, even when it’s just the health department asking you to stay safe.
There were no forced vaccine mandates in the USA, so I don’t really know what you’re talking about when you say that this was inevitable. Right-wingers just pretended that there was a mandate so that they could do performative resistance, but you might have noticed, there was no government-imposed punishment for refusing, just the natural consequence of drowning in your own sputum in the ICU.
Various employers imposed mandates, so there were mandates.
When neo-fascists try to impose things, that naturally creates resentment. All the people calling for mandates are the reason the reason why there was resistance.
Do you also think laws requiring you to wear a seatbelt is “neo-fascist?”
Not if there are multiple people in the car. As soon as there’s another person in the car, it’s not victimless.
You’ve got yourself very turned around: the only reason there were talk of mandates is because we knew that, without them, people wouldn’t get the vaccine. Fear of vaccines long predates any mandates. It basically started the minute the first vaccine was developed.
I’m not saying no one refused it because of talk of mandates, but the overall trend would be that without a strong incentive, some people would not get it, whether it just because of laziness, procrastination, or simply being on the fence about it.
Mandates increased the number of people who didn’t get it. There’s no reason for mandates.
Yeah, so much of it is just contrarianism. These people think that if they blindly reject everything that comes from an official source that they are substantially different than the people who blindly accept everything that comes from an official source.
Experts have lied repeatedly and trust in them is at an all time low. If it wasn’t for the talk of mandates, more people would have got the vaccine. Pushback is a natural consequence of trying to force things.
Experts have lied repeatedly
A completely vague statement - which is almost certainly untrue or a gross misrepresentation of reality - that basically justifies believing whatever you want. I’ve seen this plenty throughout my life, but it’s become especially popular since the start of the pandemic.
Projection. I lie repeatedly so everyone else must also lie repeatedly.
I need to preface this by saying that I am in no way anti-vaccine, and this has nothing to do with politics.
But…
I got my last booster about 3 weeks ago, and I have been messed up ever since. Apparently there is something called Long Vax Syndrome that is currently being studied. Fortunately I don’t have some of the worst symptoms, but the fatigue is so real. Normally when I would get a covid booster I would be exhausted for about 24 hours, but this is unrelenting. I’ve never been this tired in my life, and it’s honestly a struggle. I am really hoping something comes of the research and they figure something out because I don’t know how long I can sustain this.
If it is anything like long covid my symptoms went away after about 2 months. Hopefully the vaccine variant is not as long.
But by week three I was starting to feel somewhat better.
My “long COVID” symptoms are on month 16 and counting… they’ve gone way down, but still there.
Bless you, how many boosters have you had and do you have any other underlying health issues?
So I got my first 2 shots way back when. And I think this is my 3rd booster?
No underlying health issues but it might be worth noting that I got covid way at the beginning of the pandemic and I was hospitalized for a week. It was the sickest I have ever been in my life. I was sick for 2 weeks before I went to the hospital because back then it was next to impossible to get a test, and it took forever to get results back.
I don’t know if I’m one of the few that is just voulerable to covid or whatever, and maybe because of that the vaccine has a chance to hite differently? I don’t know. There’s still so much unknown about covid, but I’m really hoping this fatigue clears up because quality of life is way down right now. It’s been very difficult to work and take care of my daughter etc. Driving isn’t safe… It’s not great.
So… long COVID then. The vaccine doesn’t undo you having already had it…
Well I never had this after I got covid 3 years ago. So maybe I had some kind of resting long covid that got triggered by the vaccine? But not the other times I got the booster?
I don’t know. I’m not a doctor or scientist. I’m just really really really tired all the time now.
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But studies largely shown that the risk of post-vaccine events do not exceed background rates
sorry mate, guess you were the unlucky one. thanks for your sacrifice o7
Same here. Also not ant-vax in general, very much pro-vax for the big three and whatnot. I got 2 vax and a booster willingly, but got sick as a dog all 3 times and missed work each time. The fatigue was crippling. I also got covid twice anyway so thats a bummer, but it wasnt any worse than the post-vax sickness. Maybe the vax reduced the severity of covid, but either way I think Ill pass on getting any more boosters for tbe time being. Ive had plenty of flu vaxes and never had an issue with them.
I have no idea why you’re getting downvotes on this. You’re relating your personal experience, and it’s clearly not an anti-vax type answer. Here’s an upvote to help offset that.
