The admin of the Mastodon instance cyberspace.social just received an AI powered notice to delete the parody account @microsoft@lea.pet
Oh my fucking god! Please, M$, do continue!!
What ghouls
thanks microsoft! i just followed the account!
Lea.pet also got a c&d for @apple@lea.pet
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Let’s save this post for the next follow friday…
Streisand effect in full swing too. I’m now following @Microsoft@lea.pet :)
I don’t get fediverse either. How do I follow that from a Lemmy app. The link dosnt work.
Lemmy doesn’t support following people, you need a mastodon or Sharkey account for that. Check sharkey.world and mas.to
They don’t really understand their user base either
Does Microsoft understand anything? At all? They suck at making software, they suck at making operating systems, they suck at making genAI, they suck at making game consoles, they’re starting to suck at owning github, what don’t they suck at? What part of their business is done better than anyone else? What end user experience is better on an MS product than anywhere else? They have a shittier alternative to literally everything and nothing truly good.
I don’t know if you’re asking seriously, but if you are the answer is: Enterprise manageability and accountability. There’s a reason why every hospital, Fortune 500 corporate campus, military base, supermarket, distribution centre, etc, etc all run Windows workstations. Why would a ruthlessley profit-driven corporation buy expensive Windows licenses when Ubuntu is free? Because when you’re dealing with ten thousand workstation in 150 countries, each with own requirements for data protection, working time, employee rights, etc that not only need enforcing, but need to be audited, you can do all that with a single Windows server and a half-motivated sysadmin. And for everyone smaller than that, you still get access to those same tools for your school, office, factory, whatever on your fleet of twenty mismatched laptops from eight different vendors.
Nothing else comes close, and until it does nothing will change. They would all drop Windows in an instant if there was a sensible alternative.
Their computer mice are pretty good quality, but I don’t know if they are the best.
They rock at being the default. As much as I love LibreOffice MS office is probably the best office suite I’ve used too.
For how good and useful Excel is, it’s overbalanced by how utterly fucking dog shit Word is.
Word is when you have a crap and can’t seem to wipe yourself fully clean. Word is making a morning coffee and finding the milk has gone bad. If it weren’t for the US deciding they’d rather invade the Netherlands than let a single Yank stand trial in the Hague, the entire executive suite of Microsoft would be up on war crimes charges because of Word.
Yeah, like I can’t disagree, I’ve spent hours at work producing decidedly shit documentation (that it’s just occurred to me I should probably have done in PowerPoint) but equally I don’t think I’ve ever used a WYSIWYG word processor I’d consider good either (or web design program for that matter).
VSCode
You’re talking to a vim user. If you even suggest that a MS product is better I’ll go crazy and crush up my own teeth into dust and then put it in my morning breakfast milk to make Teeth Milk (Tilk)
You’ve been warned.
(It’s 6 in the morning and I still haven’t slept I’m really sorry about this but this reply seems really funny to me so I’m posting against my better judgement)
I am not going to argue if it is better or worse than vim. I actually use both; they both have strengths and weaknesses imo. I use them for different tasks. I will say though that VSCode is extremely popular for programming and for good reasons. It’s a good product, one of the best things Microsoft make.
Out of interest: why vim and not neovim?
Vscode being more accessible than Visual doesn’t actually mean anything in the grand scheme of code creation. Both sucks btw.
Yet VSCode is one of the most popular IDEs with many other IDEs being forks of it.
I am amazed this is even remotely controversial. It’s one of the few products they make that’s actually good. Just tells you how far off the real world most Lemmy users are lol.
Funnily I have been fine with a lot of Microsoft software before, but VSCode was not one of them. Mostly because I’m very picky about something I’ll be using all day everyday and for that VSCode has too many issues for my taste.
Popular. So coca cola is the best drink?
JetBrains are miles ahead visual code for example.
Funny how you just have to be condescending, almost like you don’t have any real arguments. But keep on being “amazed”, bet you’re “amazed” about ai vibe coding, I mean it is all the rage …
I actually like JetBrains too. It isn’t mutually exclusive to only like one or the other.
You haven’t made a single real argument either.
Here let me make mine:
VSCode works with a huge range of languages, is very flexible and extendable, and has great support for remote development, development in containers, and even has cloud hosted IDEs based on it (Eclipse Che anyone?). Despite being web based it’s somehow faster/lighter than JetBrains. It’s also less expensive with fully open source versions available.
Edit: also I wasn’t being condescending until people started attacking me for an incredibly uncontroversial opinion. Your the one being condescending here.
I’m being condescending lol? No u 😁
So as I thought you don’t have a real point. You just came here to call the popular thing bad for not fitting your tastes.
What does JetBrains do that makes it miles ahead?
On mint it actually finds the C# sources in Godot, for example. It also easily “compiles” and launches the soft through Godot, with working debugging. Vscode is a nightmare to set up, there are configs, other files, project files, and other parameters that just aren’t taken into account. Or having, gasp, code in a folder, it just isn’t getting scanned by vscode. You can surely get it to work, but if you don’t use the base boilerplate setup it just doesn’t function well at all.
I have used visual studio since early 2000 and it was good, then it became bloated, and vscode is IMO just a lighter version of that bloated visual.
VSCode and Visual Studio aren’t from the same code base. They aren’t commonly used for the same things, or on the same platforms. Do you think they are comparable because they have similar names?
Not understanding how to use the thing doesn’t make it bad. It’s no wonder your confused if you think it’s an alternative to Visual Studio.
They suck at making everything except money.
That’s called a scam artist, and honestly that’s not far off at all. They did some sneaky shit to maintain a monopoly.
let them sue, parody is fair use. get that bag king
AI putting copyright troll lawyers out of jobs? Best use I’ve heard of yet.
Look ma, my instance is being threatened! Proud to be on the instance of Mastodon CEO 🥹
Ok but fr, MS please don’t shut down cyberplace.social I just switched to there like a few months ago.
this is why niche stuff on fedi is so funny sometimes. especially when a corporate entity tried to approach it, in the most corporate way lol.
Microsoft is at this point made up entirely of technically inept people running fraudulent mechanical Turks.
After forced to switch to Microsoft teams, I became their PM and developers are alien origin.
Like, some of the logic doesn’t make any human sense. Like, LLM slop would’ve done better.
Microsoft is such a horrid company.
So, here’s what I would do. I would comply (you should be able to delete the local instance of that account). But I’d also reply pointing out that it’s a mirror of the real account hosted at lea.pet and their real beef is with them, and should that user interact with or generate content pushed to you, the local copy would be re-created.
Keep a copy of the email you send (because it’s highly likely a human doesn’t monitor that mailbox) and then move on with your life. If a real person then wants to complain you can just forward the email you sent and tell them the same still applies.
It’s automated and the email indicates as such.
Why comply? As far as I’m aware there’s no legal obligation to do so. They think they can just ask for things and get them. Fuck them.
When a website links to another like Facebook or similar is the website not at least partially responsible for content, like if the content was terrorism they might ultimately blame Facebook or whoever but still expect the website to remove the content from their page?
Well, legally there’s no reason to comply. At the same time I personally have no skin in the game and deleting the account locally won’t do much (unless you purge their content too).
Sure, but why even do that minor thing for them? Just ignore it like it deserves.
So, then, according to corpo logic, you’ve setup a system that automatically repeatedly breaks the law (copyright , maybe? Ianal).
And if the liability is on you for hosting a federation service with no control over the content and you are accountable for the replicated content, then it is effectively the end of federation. Again, not a lawyer but given how much the law favors corps over individual rights in the US it seems like it would track.
I’ve said this before. The UK online safety act if they enforce it hard against fediverse instances, it will be the end of federation, for UK users without a VPN at least. Because it puts too much on the shoulders of small site operators.
In this case though, the exception most countries have for site operators to avoid being responsible for their user’s posts is usually reliant on action being taken when content on your site is reported to you. There isn’t really an exception for saying “Umm, wasn’t from my site mate. Go follow the trail and get the original guy”. The argument will be, the site you control has the content, remove it.
In the UK in the 1990s there was a court case [1] that might even form the part of the case law behind the publisher exception. In that case the claimant stated that the ISP was alerted to forged usenet articles (usenet was pretty much a good analogue for modern federated content) that he believed defamed him. They did not remove the articles (presumably because they did not originate on their usenet server, by their users I am not sure). He sued them and the court ruled in his favour. There’s more nuance, but the take away is pretty much what we got in the law created later.
Since then we have enacted the Defamation Act 2013 [2], which has section 5 that gives SOME exemption to operators of websites that allow posts by third parties (that pretty much covers the fediverse). That makes it clear that if the claimant cannot identify the user (which would be the case for 99% of threadiverse users), and if you are informed about the content and do not take action, then you may be held accountable for the defamation. Now that just means that if they tell you X post is defamatory or should be removed for another legal reason, if you refuse to do so in a reasonable time period, then you can be held responsible and treated as the publisher of that message. So if it were to breach some law, they could sue you for it as if you posted it yourself. Which is kinda why I’d say just remove it if there’s any doubt at all. I’m not a legal expert, but that’s how I read the act.
I’m not sure how it works elsewhere. I live in the UK. But generally the rules are somewhat similar.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_v_Demon_Internet_Service [2] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2013/26/section/5
Very interesting.
I’m making a decentralised open source sharing protocol (have your free cloud drive, website, …) and I very often gets the question about what if my node shares some illegal stuff (because when someone shares yours, you share theirs)?
It’s all encrypted so a node cannot know what it shares, and if someone asks you to take down abc.xyz then we’ll do it and it should be the end of the story.
Seems that’s what it would be in the UK at least (and the rest of the EU usually doesn’t have harsher laws for what I know), what are your thought?
On the one-hand I think it would be similar to how usenet works now for binaries. That is, once notified under DMCA (for the USA) and likely similar laws in other western countries you’re duty bound to remove it.
I don’t know if there would be other problems with hosting files when you don’t know what they are. Also in terms of defence against DMCA, how would the original file uploader defend against it when you can’t know what the file is without the key. Person A reports file xyz as infringing their copyright, Uploader B says it doesn’t. Normally you could re-instate it and let the two parties fight it out in court. But, I wonder how it would play out when you hosting the file don’t even know what it is.
I’m really not sure how it would really stack up against copyright law in general and more specifically laws for truly illegal content (e.g. CSAM), since you could be hosting that and never know.
Seems a bit more of a risky venture to me and more a question for an actually qualified legal advisor I’m afraid.
CSAM or any illegal content, or is there a specific legal difference?
The protocol is robust, so if a node removes the shared data, it just goes elsewhere. In-fine it’s the original sharer doing any potential illegal thing IMO but laws are not always logical nor moral.
Any idea where one would be able to get some answers from some real legal experts? Pro bono ofc 😰.
