Officials will also tout the drug leucovorin as a potential autism treatment, in what President Donald Trump has billed as a “very important” announcement.

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I’ve got no idea what the alleged evidence for this is, but what I do know is that the people making these announcements are completely untrustworthy.

  • RedWeasel@lemmy.worldEnglish
    74·
    5 months ago

    what I do know is that the people making these announcements are completely untrustworthy

    You are being overly kind. These people are BATSHIT Crazy.

          • Random Dent@lemmy.mlEnglish
            7·
            5 months ago

            I’d assume Charisma maybe? Like, I don’t find any of them charismatic in the slightest, but Trump especially seems to have this weird ability to make people follow him unquestioningly while he simultaneously fucks them over right to their face.

      • RedWeasel@lemmy.worldEnglish
        16·
        5 months ago

        I feel ‘evil’ requires a knowledge that what they is doing is wrong with intent in doing so. I don’t think RFKjr is sane enough to know he is being harmful unfortunately. The administration is filled to the brim with both, people being harmful intentionally and ignorantly.

          • Random Dent@lemmy.mlEnglish
            3·
            5 months ago

            I was saying the other day that the only value I can see in RFK is for study, but as the subject. He’s like one of those 19th century rail workers that accidentally blasts a metal rod through his head with dynamite and keeps living somehow. As far as I can tell he can’t be operating on more than 20% of a functional human brain, but how?

  • sweetbabyJames@lemmy.ml
    29·
    5 months ago

    This will go away as soon as J&J pays the troll toll. We are in the “and I don’t care who knows it!” stage of the kleptocracy.

    • BanMe@lemmy.world
      2·
      5 months ago

      J&J spun it off into a company called Kenvue a couple years back, so lots less resources to fight it.

    • IndridCold@lemmy.ca
      5·
      5 months ago

      I think this is a lead up to rounding up everyone with autism and moving them to special camps for “education”.

      • Random Dent@lemmy.mlEnglish
        4·
        5 months ago

        Knowing the current administration, it’s probably so then can start selling sugar pills that ‘reverse Tylenol autism’ for $2K/pill and use them to loot the healthcare system.

    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
      3·
      5 months ago

      Best I can do is arrest all the parents who gave their kids Tylenol for neglect and put them in camps.

      And the kids too. Oh and we can give them all free jobs while they are there to give them the opportunity for them to learn new trades.

      These non-human second rate child abusers need to be separated from us, they were attacking the children!

    • gnate@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      5 months ago

      Starting with eliminating these bullshit claims for “causes” of autism.

  • Oxysis/Oxy@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    17·
    5 months ago

    I’m very happy I didn’t get diagnosed when I was younger, it’s sad though that I have to make the choice to not get diagnosed to not have to worry as much

  • Jaysyn@lemmy.world
    16·
    5 months ago

    Weird how the famously autistic Temple Grandin had been alive for 8 years when Tylenol went on the market.

    -EDIT-

    Also:

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406

    Findings In this population-based study, models without sibling controls identified marginally increased risks of autism and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) associated with acetaminophen use during pregnancy. However, analyses of matched full sibling pairs found no evidence of increased risk of autism (hazard ratio, 0.98), ADHD (hazard ratio, 0.98), or intellectual disability (hazard ratio, 1.01) associated with acetaminophen use.

    • ripcord@lemmy.world
      5·
      5 months ago

      I don’t know the background for the bullshit here, but I really doubt anyone is implying that it is the ONLY cause.

    • partial_accumen@lemmy.world
      4·
      5 months ago

      That is easily explained. Temple Grandin’s parents were time travelers from the future where Tylenol existed, making Temple also a time traveler as a baby to have a birthdate recorded 8 years prior to Tylenol’s release to the market. /s

    • Ulvain@sh.itjust.works
      10·
      5 months ago

      Thank you for sharing! Saving a click: So there was a first, flawed study, which studied the link between Tylenol and autism on the basis of correlation (not causality), and they failed to factor in other underlying reasons why parents who end up having an autistic child might use acetaminophen slightly more often (ex: the parents themselves have a condition that makes them take Tylenol more often). The new thorough study clearly demonstrates that there are no links.

      • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish
        9·
        5 months ago

        The experiments that proves no connection between Tylenol and autism has been done two ways:

        1. In the 80s there was a tainted Tylenol scandal and sales were suspended and all pills recalled. Sales dipped to near zero for years. No difference to autism rates.

        2. Many countries avoid Tylenol use due to liver toxicity. No difference in autism rates.

  • unalivejoy@lemmy.zipEnglish
    10·
    5 months ago

    For all the reasons Tylenol should be pulled from shelves, autism probably isn’t one of them.

  • foggy@lemmy.world
    1610·
    5 months ago

    Look, acetaminophen is one of the most harmful OTC drug without this nonsese.

    If they stop here, fine. But fight it like hell.

      • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
        6·
        5 months ago

        I think the reason people overdose on Tylenol, and often don’t realize that’s the problem until their liver is failing, is that for decades Tylenol was presented as the “safe” choice for fever and pain control. Which really just means it’s not going to give little kids Reye Syndrome. But because you’ve absorbed that idea as a little kid, you’re not looking for danger unless you specifically re-learn about overdose hazard. And too many people don’t, because shitty education. Then you add all the mixed “cold and flu” OTC medications with the ingredients in tiny print, and the fact that by the time you have uncomfortable symptoms it’s probably too late to pump your stomach, so people die. And that’s without counting in the little ones who got into the grape chewables or drank the whole bottle of the baby’s bubblegum liquid.

        Editing to add: In my experience, Tylenol just doesn’t do a very good job of easing pain, which might also lead to overdose. It never worked for my severe period cramps, which Advil did. And there’s a case of a man dying because he took 5 extra-strength every hour trying to control his dental pain, which I would never do but I can affirm it doesn’t do shit for toothache either.

        But autism? Nah.

        • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world
          3·
          5 months ago

          A combination of ibuprofen and acetaminophen (paracetamol) is a crazy effective painkiller. It’s been found to be even more effective than some opioids. Watch your dosage, know what you’re taking, and it’s perfectly safe.

          • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            5 months ago

            If you do that, be sure to space them out, alternating, with at least a couple of hours between. Having done it on doctor’s advice, I’ve noticed the Tylenol is barely enough to keep me hanging on as the previous Advil wears off and until I can take the next one. I’m not 💯% sure it was helping at all, but at least I could say to myself, “surely it will be kicking in any moment now…” until I got through to where I could start saying “Only half an hour more until you can take the good stuff.”

            I think people have idiosyncratic responses to pain meds. I don’t respond to Aleve either. Aspirin is mildly helpful. But a single Motrin was all I needed the day after a C-section.

          • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish
            13·
            5 months ago

            Huge risk of liver toxicity. Mix two drugs then drink like an average American and the liver has no chance.

            People take 2x doses of ibuprofen to recover from hangover.

            • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world
              1·
              5 months ago

              Then don’t drink. Why would you mix poison with medicine and think that’s an ok thing to do? No shit that’s bad for you.

              If you are taking any kind of medicine, don’t drink. If people are too stupid to realize that, then they are deserving of the Darwin Award.

              Also, don’t eat grapefruit when taking medicine. That one is more forgivable because it’s not obvious it’s a problem.

          • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            5 months ago

            My doctors have said to take them alternating, not at the same time, and it has worked to smooth out the waves a bit although I’m definitely aware of the difference in effectiveness.

            And yes, that dude must have been crazy, badly misunderstood directions, or just in such agonizing pain he didn’t care he was killing himself. Sadly, liver failure is also a painful way to go.

      • spongebue@lemmy.world
        23·
        5 months ago

        I think the point is that it can cause serious damage/death if you take too much… Which is maybe a bit unique among OTC medications specifically

            • ater@lemmy.world
              72·
              5 months ago

              Which is maybe a bit unique among OTC medications specifically

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              • spongebue@lemmy.world
                21·
                5 months ago

                “a bit”

                But I suppose I was listening to something on NPR a few months ago where someone complained about describing things with varying degrees of uniqueness (eg, “a bit”) because unique is technically a binary descriptor. Something I learned in that moment and apparently forgot soon after.

      • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish
        24·
        5 months ago

        US consumers have been completely brainwashed into taking drugs for any minor inconvenience and told they are safe. The only truly safe drug is drug that does nothing.

        Because they are directly marketed to, they overdose or mix NSAIDs until their kidneys and livers fail.

    • CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world
      81·
      5 months ago

      Alcohol is worse. Why is no on banning it?

      If you take too much of something, it becomes harmful. What an epiphany.

      • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
        31·
        5 months ago

        I mean the sheer amount of sugar in our food has to be the largest cost to lifespans/healthcare in the U.S.

        Id like to see us make a change over time introducing not bans but better ways to regulate packaging.

        I don’t want it to have warnings everywhere and dead fetuses and shit, I just want things like, green boxes, blue boxes, magenta boxes, stuff like that. Maybe an easy to see letter in the lower left for those who are color blind

          • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
            1·
            5 months ago

            I was talking about boxes/cans for food, like say ramen, cheese it’s, swiss cake rolls, green beans what have you.

            The dead fetuses is a reference to the way countries have tried to use scare tactics on products to get them not to use a product. Like cigarettes. I don’t want them to do that shit with food as well, but bad diets, such as added high fructose corn syrups and what not I was advocating for foods having main colors for boxes and maybe a letter on the can for colorblind people. That says to a purchaser who isn’t going to read, this soup isn’t as bad for me as this other soup. Or when buying snacks for their kids they know are going to sneak them, they can buy snacks/chips etc that are better or worse intentionally with little effort. Bad diets have been and will always be the #1 highest cost to a countries healthcare and leading the natural early death rates.

            Example of what I don’t want:

    • mister_flibble@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      5 months ago

      It’s also worth noting that it’s pretty much the only OTC painkiller you’re allowed to take while pregnant, so

      A. I would imagine the percentage of people who’ve taken it at least once while pregnant is staggeringly high, to such a point that this would be very difficult to adequately establish causation and

      B. They are, once again, just screwing over pregnant people