It’s very tough. We’re not the only school district in Oklahoma that has faced this, and certainly none of the Ninnekah residents affected this situation
Yeah, we can tell no one affected it. That’s how dozens of victims stacked up over decades with no one doing anything about it. A predator doesn’t rape that many children without people knowing. None of those people cared until it might cost them money
I’m not a fan of the US lawsuit culture, but it seems money is the only thing Americans truly care about
It’s what we were bred, raised, taught, and enforced to care about. Even the church goers because those adapted to the culture as well.
Trying to break that mold is… full of resistance. There’s a class of people that have become aware of this, prefer it, and act to maintain this system.
If you argue it with any of these smalltown dinks, they’ll tell you it’s just the liberals molesting kids anyway, so the solution is to get rid of democrats. There is no amount of stats or math or logic that will sway this.
Oh I can attest to that. I used to have to convince people to not live in the sewage surfacing from their septic systems, or draining directly out of their RVs.
I can say from that experience: financial incentives were overwhelmingly the most effective and responsive tool. More than appeals to personal or public health, even.
There’s no seeming about it.
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Paying for public schools from city-level budgets and local taxes is one of the many things that I don’t think most Americans realize is weird about America. Normal countries fund their public schools from a national or regional budget so that kids from poor neighbourhoods don’t get even more shafted than they already are.
It’s not weird at all. It’s perfectly normal for a state based on hoarding privilege and attacking the poor.
Do other, big countries that have substates that insist upon slavery do it that way? Or is moneyflow also a massive political nightmare and fragmented because part of your country insists on doing it THEIR way? I wouldn’t think most countries had majorities of areas that were only founded solely on slavery and so never really evolved efficient or moral or coherent government or people./s
you see its about producing cannon fodder for the military, prison labor,+ low wage workers its by DESIGN. Also it helps shore up conservative voters, since many of them are undereducated, plus are more prone to religious indoctrination.
Right after 08’ crash, so many people tried to join the military as a result of the crisis(at the same time the military was drawing down once obama got in the WH, people with no directions/bad economy will try to join the military, even if they are in college. I was in a forum about people joining military(how they are denying people too).
Blue areas do fund schools better, but i dont think its that good either, i believe it still underfunded and people who are struggling often get shunted to classes that are practically useless teaching them anything(its where they shunt the kids so it doesnt affect the metrics for funding for the school).
math and english(essay writing)proficiency is very deficient in students from the 2000s, i read recently from the teacher subreddit its alot worst now.
The local high school in my rural town opted to buy a new fancy score board for the football stadium over needed text books. There were enough for each classroom, not enough for each class so students had to leave them in the classroom for the next class.
The US has always hated education. That’s why the Department of Education was one of the first ok the chopping block.
it helps produce fodder for the military enlistees, prison numbers(used by red states to increase thier house seats), also low wage workers in dead end jobs, govt jobs are pretty much dead end jobs which is why people are reluctant to go for them, but you hear from parents nagging to thier children they should get them.
Like most problems, this one is also solved by wealth redistribution from the billionaire class to regular people.
Every dollar that the local government should have had to pay that settlement is sitting in some offshore account, it makes more sense to pick a random billionaire and force them to pay out than it does to increase property taxes on people who live in their homes.
Billionaires don’t live in their community and has no say in the local operations of their community. The purpose of a lawsuit is to 1) compensate victims, and 2) Discourage repeating the situation
Akins raped at least a dozen different children over more than a decade. That doesn’t happen without other people knowing about it, but they stayed silent. He received a rather lenient 15 year sentence. Without some additional punitive measure, it’ll just happen again. Townspeople didn’t seem to complain when he was raping children, but now they’re complaining that it’ll cost them money
At least now they’ll properly deal with sexual predators rather than ignoring the issue
Doesn’t change the fact that instead of robbing a random billionaire to pay for it because they can, they are robbing their residents who aren’t billionaires and can’t pay for it.
Small town in Oklahoma…they’re probably blaming their misfortune on the people that sued.
“Would Jesus have litigated??”
I’m guessing IRL Jesus would have started rage flipping tables and whipping people with his belt.
jesus the litigator.
He did manage to fuck just about everyone in the end…
Elect Republicans, get pedos.
Embrace moderates, get Republicans.
This headline is shit. It’s just a masked type of victim blaming. What actually happened is that many town employees must have known about the SA, considering there were 14+ victims and SA doesn’t happen overnight, and they did nothing for quite some time… So the real story is that the town faces a huge tax hike because its employees decided to cover up SA.
If they’d caught the shady bastard after the first or second assault, the legal bills would have been millions of dollars less. But they didn’t, because it wasn’t a priority.
As for who knew or should have known but did nothing, we don’t know, but the town residents might want to dig into that.
might need to be even more reductive or more expansive, but remember: somebody will twist this for clicks
14 claimants, town of 800… This guy molested 1.75% of the population, or 3.5% of the women/girls in town if averages hold. Jesus.
What are the odds there is another victim, or two, who were too embarrassed, ashamed, or traumatized, to come forward?
It could even be they were brave enough and there wasn’t enough evidence. These are the ones that the prosecution could prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
I mean, there are probably some who didn’t come forward too.
The rapist pled guilty to 10 criminal counts. It’s not clear from the article how many victims that represents, as a single victim often results in multiple counts.
The 14 claimants come from a civil suit. The prosecutors have no say in who gets to sue. Further, the standard in a civil suit is propendrrance of evidence, which is far lower than beyond a reasonable doubt. And the defendant is the school, so it is likely that both sides would try to throw the rapist under the bus.
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I’d bet many members of this community ignored, dismissed and even helped cover up these abuses because that’s what little conservative communities do: ignore and enable sexual assault because they can’t admit that it’s happening, and they’ll sacrifice their vulnerable community members to keep up appearances for as long as possible.
they definitely are, on reddit last decade i saw one , where they basically ignored the accuser confronting the pedophile of the church(pastor) in public.
The former coach and alleged abuser
… then goes on to document a guilty plea and some horrific detail, I think at this point “alleged” is a bit
He raped 14 girls and it states he was allowed to do this for years and is only receiving 15 years in prison.
Soo… counts fingers about one per year?
Journalistic habit. You’re supposed to say alleged until the sentence but afterwards you’re just used to the phrasing.
The amount set a new record for abuse cases against school districts in Oklahoma, topping a $5-million settlement reached by Kingfisher Public Schools in 2023. […] the district paid $500,000 from the school’s general fund toward the settlement, while their liability insurance paid $1 million.
Sounds like they were under-insured. The Catholic Church got away with it by having their insurance pay everything, and then declaring bankruptcy whenever someone went against the Church’s actual assets.
Which is such bullshit because I remember reading in the early 2000s that the Catholic Church had over $4 trillion in assets, they could afford to settle all of their claims for a fraction of that, a very small fraction of that, less than 1% of that.
The thing that pisses me off is that, back in the late 1970’s / early 1980’s, the Church became aware they had a sex abuse problem and could be held liable. And instead of mocking the priests to places where they couldn’t commit harm, they:
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Increased their movement of assets away from individual churches and dioceses info separate ownership, so those assets wouldn’t be forfeit in case of lawsuits;
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Purged a bunch of documentation about abusive priests, shredding, burning, or throwing it away;
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Moved the documentation that remained to secret local archives supposedly sealed by the confessional and clerical privilege, and then away from local churches and dioceses to the Papal Nunciature (Embassy) in DC where they’re covered by diplomatic immunity;
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Went out and bought a massive amount of specific insurance to cover any sex abuse claims that might arise - and got a very cheap price for it, too.
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Continued their practice of moving abusive priests between dioceses and parishes, denying there was a problem to anyone who might ask and giving those priests the opportunity to give other victims.
Probably other shitty stuff, but those are the points I remember offhand (and it’s more than enough). They never cared about their victims, only preserving their money and power.
JPII was a pedo. I have no proof but I feel very comfortable making that assertion.
Over a thousand years of experience in legal maneuvering, they existed before the laws and watched them form over the years.
They’ve got the asset strategy down pat, what they’ve never had a handle on is their human factors - since we’re all such flawed and sinful individuals, and they have a tendency to recruit from the damaged end of society to start with… denial is their weapon of choice against the Devil.
Never mind Citizens United; the fact that corporate entities (and yes, churches count) are able to do shit like this just proves that they’ve been out of control going way further back.
Limited liability, as a concept, is a moral hazard. It should be abolished in all but a very limited set of circumstances where it serves the public’s (not the shareholders’ or any other private entity’s) interest.
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You don’t get $4T in assets by giving it away to every altar boy who tattles…
We should take it all away from that pedophile ring. Why do they deserve to have tax free rape dens?
There are no Epstein files.
Er, I mean, it’s a hoax.
That is, only Epstein is in the Epstein files.
Signed, Epstein’s mom.
Ah yes the holy loophole.
Religion is bankrupt
Only $1,000,000 in coverage which isn’t much.
Wonder how many complaints were ignored before he actually got charged. Probably would have been much cheaper to act the first time, before he had dozens of victims for them to compensate.
This 2021 article paints a damning picture.
Oklahoma coach preyed on players while school looked the other way, lawsuit alleges — The Oklahoman
Back in the bad old days of the 2009 recession, I got caught in the churn and wound up at a temp agency to make ends meet.
One of my assignments was driving about 6 hours a day, from gas station to gas station to “buy” cigarettes. I never actually bought anything. What I did do, however, was wait until they asked me for either my ID or money. If they asked me for ID, they got a green card. If they asked me for money with no sign of ID’ing me, they got a red card.
It was a voluntary program by Philip Morris to curtail underage smoking. I don’t know what actually happened to the cashiers. I was told no one got punished. (And folks reacted with disappointment, but not sadness or anger. Folks with green cards reacted happily, though. So I assume it was an Incentive-based program.) These interactions got logged, and I turned in the log sheet at the end of the day.Because we’re victims of our own experience, that immediately came to mind. I feel like we need to start blindly testing if mandatory reporters are reporting things they witness. I mean - no idea how that gets worked out. Seems horrible.
Sounds about right. How many more victims were abused between 2015 and the charges being filed? Everyone who refused to take the first victim seriously should go to jail for enabling him.
We here in Kansas City are voting today to potentially recall our county executive over massively inflated property taxes.
This seems to be happening all over the place.
This specifically is literally a town of 800 still owing 6 million dollars after they spent their little coffers and their insurance paid out what it was going to pay. They are literally taxing the home owners exactly what it cost to pay the settlement I doubt that is happening all over the place.
Theirs a case for some form of malpractice on the part of that town
their liability insurance paid $1 million
wtf, for an entire town, including schools? This is no longer the nineteenth century. It’s not all that unusual for individuals to have that much liability insurance. It’s not even that expensive
Yep under insured and bad people in charge ignoring all the raping for years
This particular situation is a little more extreme, but you’d be wrong. Homeowners are seeing their property taxes raised by criminal percentages nationwide. Thankfully most are fighting back.
This mfer not knowing how municipality finances work…
Fight back against corporate greed making every part of your life more expensive, including your cities and counties work and maintenance projects, which requires them to raise taxes to stay solvent.
I know how they are supposed to work, sure.
But here in KC people saw 100% to 150% increases, which was so ludicrous that the state tax commission stepped in and capped increases. We also just voted to recall our county executive who defended the assessments
And our scenario is not unique. It’s happening everywhere in this country.
Even though there is a legal process for tax assessment, that doesn’t mean it isn’t abused or corrupted. Also doesn’t make it okay for the county to levy unfair taxes to homeowners.
What you actually mean is that the housing market is hot dumping a bunch of unearned wealth on every asshole who bought a house in the last 50 years meaning that with the extra wealth you get to pay additional taxes.
Fuck you for shitting on people who own a house to live in.
Fuck you for shifting the blame away from corporate house flippers and other people who buy houses as investments instead of as a fucking place to live.
Fuck you in general for implying that economically forcing people out of their homes because some rich fucks want them is the fault of the homeowners.
Asking people to pay a share of their unearned wealth the same as all of us have to pay out of our earned wealth is totally shitting on them…
there is no wealth there. What do you not understand about NOT having to cave to the salivating infinite greed of the “market”? If the homeowner actualizes that opportunity then fuck them too and tax that sale all you want. A system that lets you buy a house and then slap a subscription on top with government eviction hanging over your head if you ever fall behind should not exist.
Tax income. Tax barter. Tax churches.
Don’t tax food, water, or shelter.
Certain things are paid for by the municipality or county and incur costs to same. People. The people that use those resources like schools roads fire safety EMS etc can play all sorts of games about where they “officially” live but they can’t hide the actual house that their big fat butt sits in so it makes sense to tax that.
What you are saying is that its OK to tax someone who barely makes enough to live by taxing their income but if bob has 2M in property we shouldn’t tax THAT. Do you know how much income tax we should have to charge to make up for that? It’s a LOT and 95% of the benefit will accrue to those who are in the top 10% of wealth whilst much of the cost will be put on those in the folks on the lower rungs.
Shall we also forego taxing the 7 - 75th investment property?.
Can we maybe admit that having put $20,000 into a house that is now worth 2M isn’t a terrible problem to have and that grandpa is still the winner even with taxes?
Sure thing.
Thank you for your opinion. I hope you have a nice Wednesday.
I don’t think Frank White was raising taxes for sex abuse tho right? Probably just all those police lawsuits. -_-
Probably, but the bigger point here is that it’s a tactic being used across the country for various reasons.
This is why comprehensive, single payer public health (and education, infrastructure, police de-escalation and oversight, jobs, transportation, food, and and and) are an investment with incalculable ROI. This is why “render to Caesar.”
also just gonna write this one down, but it’s only a mild killing
