Putin said that the “green men” without insignia on their uniforms who took over government facilities in Crimea in 2015 are not Russians, until he admitted months later that they actually are. Days before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Putin reiterated many times that he will not invade and that the Russian troops in separatist-occupied Donbas and Luhansk regions are only there for “peacekeeping”. He told the outside world that they are being paranoid over the potential Russian invasion.
Putin and Kremlin lied many times. I don’t know why you would still believe someone who has been proven to lie many times unless you have a battered partner syndrome.
Yeah the tactic is to lie as much as they can to benefit themselves; if you call them out on it they act all offended and blame you for being russophobic or whatever suits their means at the moment, and use it as propaganda to paint “the west” as an stupid, prejudiced enemy. If you just let it happen, they laught at what a weak moron you are to allow yourself be fooled like that, and use it as propaganda to paint “the west” as a stupid, weak enemy
The article you link quotes Putin claiming that he has never opposed Ukraine joining NATO. That is not only demonstrably false but also just a misuse of the article that muddies the water.
Putin has absolutely opposed Ukraine joining NATO (on the basis that he has always planned on annexing Ukraine in whole or in part) and has used his power to materially prohibit their membership. Ukraine’s nuclear disarmament was part of this plan.
The article you link quotes Putin claiming that he has never opposed Ukraine joining NATO. That is not only demonstrably false but also just a misuse of the article that muddies the water.
That’s not true:
“As for Ukraine’s membership of the EU, we have never objected to this,” Putin told Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico at talks in China. “As for NATO, this is another issue… Our position here is well known: we consider this unacceptable for ourselves.”
on the basis that he has always planned on annexing Ukraine in whole or in part
And that’s just pure speculation… And afaik hogwash.
If the current trajectory of russian aggression has not yet convinced you, if Georgia’s annexation has not yet convinced you, if Transnistria has not convinced you, if Donetsk, Luhansk, and Kherson have not convinced you (despite pro-russian separatists in the region serving as erstwhile justification for annexation) then I do not know what to tell you.
You are aware that proof doesnt get more solid than repeated, collectively witnessed, action, right? A direct testament from Putin would be less significant than the current record of military intervention.
What Russia says and does is very much different. Russia has thus far supported every single EU-“skeptic” movement from Britain to Armenia. Hell, just two days ago an article was posted about how yet another Russian botnet attempts to prevent Armenia from deepening ties with the EU:
Umm… no, that’s not true.
You don’t have to like Russia and/or Putin. I certainly don’t. But these kinds of stupid accusations wont help you understand politics.
Putin said that the “green men” without insignia on their uniforms who took over government facilities in Crimea in 2015 are not Russians, until he admitted months later that they actually are. Days before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Putin reiterated many times that he will not invade and that the Russian troops in separatist-occupied Donbas and Luhansk regions are only there for “peacekeeping”. He told the outside world that they are being paranoid over the potential Russian invasion.
Putin and Kremlin lied many times. I don’t know why you would still believe someone who has been proven to lie many times unless you have a battered partner syndrome.
Yeah the tactic is to lie as much as they can to benefit themselves; if you call them out on it they act all offended and blame you for being russophobic or whatever suits their means at the moment, and use it as propaganda to paint “the west” as an stupid, prejudiced enemy. If you just let it happen, they laught at what a weak moron you are to allow yourself be fooled like that, and use it as propaganda to paint “the west” as a stupid, weak enemy
The article you link quotes Putin claiming that he has never opposed Ukraine joining NATO. That is not only demonstrably false but also just a misuse of the article that muddies the water.
Putin has absolutely opposed Ukraine joining NATO (on the basis that he has always planned on annexing Ukraine in whole or in part) and has used his power to materially prohibit their membership. Ukraine’s nuclear disarmament was part of this plan.
That’s not true:
And that’s just pure speculation… And afaik hogwash.
Crimea and eastern Ukraine would like to have a word with you as of 4 years ago.
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If the current trajectory of russian aggression has not yet convinced you, if Georgia’s annexation has not yet convinced you, if Transnistria has not convinced you, if Donetsk, Luhansk, and Kherson have not convinced you (despite pro-russian separatists in the region serving as erstwhile justification for annexation) then I do not know what to tell you.
Those aren’t proof. Those are speculations.
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I said that the donbas was at war with Kiew since 2014. That was supposedly disinformation. It wasn’t
You are aware that proof doesnt get more solid than repeated, collectively witnessed, action, right? A direct testament from Putin would be less significant than the current record of military intervention.
How can you proof that someone “has always wanted” something?
What Russia says and does is very much different. Russia has thus far supported every single EU-“skeptic” movement from Britain to Armenia. Hell, just two days ago an article was posted about how yet another Russian botnet attempts to prevent Armenia from deepening ties with the EU:
https://theins.ru/en/news/285805