A person who was actually educated on the topic would call them fascists, not Nazis. Unless you think they’re literally the National Socialist German Workers’ Party of the 1930s then they’re not Nazis.
Calling fascists Nazis is a meme spread by the ignorant who’s only education is social media. Don’t confuse upvotes with being correct, the Internet is full of ignorant people and literal children.
Ah yes, everyone who defends Palestine are supporters of Hamas no?
Too bad the other side won’t give you the same deference you give the Nazi, oops I meant the Neo Nazis, or no wait the Fascists.
This is all about optics and if calling them Nazi works to any degree, I could care less about semantics.
Consider conservatives care exactly zero percent about semantics, it seems like your personal crusade to correct every reference from Nazi to Fascist is foolhardy to say the least.
If your point is that the right mischaracterizes things and twists the truth for political advantage, then I agree with you.
I’m saying that anyone that’s doing that is wrong, no matter which ‘side’ they are on. Lying and spinning the truth is toxic to political discourse and should be discouraged even when it is unpopular (as here).
Good we can agree on what the right does. I am certainly not saying we need to stoop to their level, but they are winning the propaganda war no doubt about it.
Words matter, like you allude to. I have two issues though. The first is there are certainly Neo Nazis in our government. With the release of the “Young Republican” chat we can clearly see they are Neo Nazis. So in this respect calling them a Nazi is not misattributed at all.
The second issue has to do with effective propaganda. The truth is the majority of people don’t know what fascism is, but most people know about Nazism and have a negative perception of it.
So you insistence that we call them fascist hurts our ability to help the public understanding that what they are doing is wrong.
Another side issue is solidarity. If you are not aware there are a lot of counter-intel and infiltration going on. This backbiting where you are trying to declare every progressive wrong who uses the word Nazi to describe conservatives is exactly this type of action.
Whether you see it or not other people do. That is probably why you get so much pushback.
Another side issue is solidarity. If you are not aware there are a lot of counter-intel and infiltration going on. This backbiting where you are trying to declare every progressive wrong who uses the word Nazi to describe conservatives is exactly this type of action.
There isn’t any solidarity created in attacking allies because they have a disagreement.
Disagreement is important, it creates conversations where people are should be forced to rationally articulate why they believe what they believe. Shouting down disagreement and using cyberbullying tactics to drive off anyone who doesn’t 100% agree with the group is incredibly toxic and corrosive to any group. You can see several replies from people accusing me of being a Nazi and that kind of behavior is being rewarded, while a person with a good faith disagreement is shouted down.
Outside of your response, the vast majority of responses in this thread are low-effort, zero substance, social media meme replies. These are not people that appear have a firmly held belief in what they’re saying, they just know what meme is popular in their in-group and which opinions and people that they can act toxic towards with impunity.
We don’t need a party of ignorant people who simply know which opinions to parrot. We don’t need a movement of people who reflexively attack anyone who disagrees with them.
Any rational organization would be punishing the low effort and toxic comments. That isn’t what is happening here. On social media, a person is more rewarded for making hot takes that drive outrage than having a reasoned opinion that they can defend. That may be entertaining while you’re doomscrolling on the toilet, but it is a terrible political strategy.
OR as someone with this exact education you are talking about, we are calling them Nazis because hey are closest to Neo-Nazis in their ideology and we call Neo-nazis “Nazis”.
Given you claimed education why are you not seeing this?
A person who was actually educated on the topic would call them fascists, not Nazis. Unless you think they’re literally the National Socialist German Workers’ Party of the 1930s then they’re not Nazis.
Calling fascists Nazis is a meme spread by the ignorant who’s only education is social media. Don’t confuse upvotes with being correct, the Internet is full of ignorant people and literal children.
calling them nazi’s is not ignorance of what a nazi was.
it’s invoking direct comparison between someone and the explicit actions of the nazis among other fascist.
it’s sorta like claiming none can be called a dickhead because no one has a dick for a head
to argue agisnst the capability of comparison is to defend one of the two parties, so which nazi are you defending here?
More ignorant nonsense. This is the kind of reasoning that you get from only consuming social media.
The world isn’t divided into “everyone who agrees with me 100% on everything” and Nazis.
Ah yes, everyone who defends Palestine are supporters of Hamas no?
Too bad the other side won’t give you the same deference you give the Nazi, oops I meant the Neo Nazis, or no wait the Fascists.
This is all about optics and if calling them Nazi works to any degree, I could care less about semantics.
Consider conservatives care exactly zero percent about semantics, it seems like your personal crusade to correct every reference from Nazi to Fascist is foolhardy to say the least.
Uh, no they’re not.
You’re way off the mark if you’re trying to attribute right-wing talking points to me.
You are clearly trying to personalize this and missing the point entirely.
No, I am not saying you said that. Cheers!
If your point is that the right mischaracterizes things and twists the truth for political advantage, then I agree with you.
I’m saying that anyone that’s doing that is wrong, no matter which ‘side’ they are on. Lying and spinning the truth is toxic to political discourse and should be discouraged even when it is unpopular (as here).
Good we can agree on what the right does. I am certainly not saying we need to stoop to their level, but they are winning the propaganda war no doubt about it.
Words matter, like you allude to. I have two issues though. The first is there are certainly Neo Nazis in our government. With the release of the “Young Republican” chat we can clearly see they are Neo Nazis. So in this respect calling them a Nazi is not misattributed at all.
The second issue has to do with effective propaganda. The truth is the majority of people don’t know what fascism is, but most people know about Nazism and have a negative perception of it.
So you insistence that we call them fascist hurts our ability to help the public understanding that what they are doing is wrong.
Another side issue is solidarity. If you are not aware there are a lot of counter-intel and infiltration going on. This backbiting where you are trying to declare every progressive wrong who uses the word Nazi to describe conservatives is exactly this type of action.
Whether you see it or not other people do. That is probably why you get so much pushback.
There isn’t any solidarity created in attacking allies because they have a disagreement.
Disagreement is important, it creates conversations where people
areshould be forced to rationally articulate why they believe what they believe. Shouting down disagreement and using cyberbullying tactics to drive off anyone who doesn’t 100% agree with the group is incredibly toxic and corrosive to any group. You can see several replies from people accusing me of being a Nazi and that kind of behavior is being rewarded, while a person with a good faith disagreement is shouted down.Outside of your response, the vast majority of responses in this thread are low-effort, zero substance, social media meme replies. These are not people that appear have a firmly held belief in what they’re saying, they just know what meme is popular in their in-group and which opinions and people that they can act toxic towards with impunity.
We don’t need a party of ignorant people who simply know which opinions to parrot. We don’t need a movement of people who reflexively attack anyone who disagrees with them.
Any rational organization would be punishing the low effort and toxic comments. That isn’t what is happening here. On social media, a person is more rewarded for making hot takes that drive outrage than having a reasoned opinion that they can defend. That may be entertaining while you’re doomscrolling on the toilet, but it is a terrible political strategy.
OR as someone with this exact education you are talking about, we are calling them Nazis because hey are closest to Neo-Nazis in their ideology and we call Neo-nazis “Nazis”.
Given you claimed education why are you not seeing this?
“Everyone I disagree with is an ignorant child” huh?
“I make bad faith misrepresentations of what other people say, but that’s okay because I get upvotes and that’s what matters in the world”