• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    23 hours ago

    The pasta is real, the seasoning is real, the cheese basically is not real.

    For example, regular Cheeseburger Hamburger Helper contains trace amounts of blue cheese, which is absent from the Deluxe Cheeseburger Macaroni Hamburger Helper. The “Deluxe” product also contains parmesan cheese, palm oil, and lactic acid. These can all impact the texture and taste of the dish.

    In an email to the Daily Dot, an Eagle Foods representative wrote the following: “The difference between the Double Cheeseburger Mac and the Cheeseburger Mac products are that, for the Double Cheeseburger, the ingredient ratios are slightly different and there is double the amount of cheese powder in the seasoning packet.

    https://www.dailydot.com/news/regular-deluxe-cheeseburger-hamburger-helper/

    Its only ‘real cheese’ if you consider a dehydrated powder that you have to add butter or milk / water to, and then prepare with heat as a ‘cheese flavored sauce’ to be ‘real cheese’.

    Yep, the tiny trace amounts of ‘100% Real Cheese!’ it contains are indeed tiny denydrated crumblets of real cheese… but I am fairly sure that by that metric, Cheetos are also ‘real cheese’.

    For most Americans under the age of 40, the idea of making an actual cheese sauce out of… an actual block of actual dairy cheese from their refrigerator… that is literally a foreign concept, nobody has time to be that fancy, or even knows that is a thing you can do.

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      22 hours ago

      Because to make a proper cheese sauce you need to make a proper roux, and idk who you think is teaching the average person to do that.

      That is certainly not common knowledge today, and I doubt it has ever been common knowledge your everyday person would know. Nor is it easy to do for the inexperienced cook.

      Though I think most Americans would be happy with Sodium Citrate if they knew about it

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        21 hours ago

        Used to be that parents and grandparents would teach the kids how to cook something a bit fancier for a holiday.

        But we’re all too atomized and busy and politically polarized these days for that.

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          21 hours ago

          Yeah and many have.

          I can make Chicken Parmesan with our family recipe sauce, and a proper lasagna. With coffee cake for dessert.

          I sill was never taught how to make a roux. And I come from a family that home cooked meals every night.

          I learned how via YouTube, and I still can’t do it without fucking up 50% of the time.

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        22 hours ago

        And making cheese sauce is like, the easiest thing to fuck up. I’m having trouble with an analogy, but it’s not easy. If we’re talking about a roux based sauce at least. If there’s an easier way I would love to know.

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          20 hours ago
          • Heat a spoonful of butter in a pan.
          • Once it’s melted and just sizzling, add about a spoonful of white flour, and stir until you have a smooth paste.
          • Cook the roux until it’s slightly darker to give the sauce a richer flavour.
          • Add a spoonful of milk and stir until smooth. This is the critical step, but it works out fine unless you let it burn.
          • Keep adding milk, a spoonful or two at a time, and mixing, until the sauce is quite liquid and you’re not having to stir much.
          • Add the rest of the milk a little faster, still stiring.
          • Cook until the sauce is heated through, and bubbling.
          • Add unhealthy amounts of your prefered cheese, grated, and keep stiring.
          • Cook until the sauce starts to thicken and remove from the heat. It’ll thicken more as it cools.

          It seems like a lot of steps, but once you get the hang of it, it’s quick and reliable. The recipies that add flour to a lot if liquid have a tendency to get lumpy, this one cooks the flour in fat first and adds liquid slowly, which pretty much eliminates the issue.

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          Throw a couple cups of milk in a pot, start to heat on medium/medium high (don’t let it boil.)

          While that’s heating, take about half a cup of milk, and a couple fat tablespoons of flour and whisk it together in a separate bowl. It should be thick, but not real lumpy. If it comes out like mashed potatoes, add more milk.

          Once the hot milk starts to bubble on the stove, slowly whisk in about half of your flour mixture. Let it come back to a slight bubble and see how thick it is. If you want it thicker, add more of the flour mixture. Once it bubbles for a minute or two, that’s almost the final consistency as it’s going to thicken a little as it stands. Add salt, pepper, garlic powder, etc. to taste. Turn the heat off. Add a bunch of shredded cheese. If you heat it with the shredded cheese in it, you run the risk of the sauce breaking. Check it again for flavor, and if it thickens up too much as it cools, you can always add a little more milk.

          One of the biggest mistakes that people make is heating up a sauce too much after it has the cheese in it. This can make the cheese break and get gross. I also have zero issue with using pre-shredded cheese this way either. And bonus tip, if you throw a slice of American cheese in there, it’ll have enough sodium citrate to help make it a very smooth cheese sauce.

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          21 hours ago

          Yeah you can do what that other guy said or just buy Sodium Citrate. It’s $13 for a bag but it is enough to make 53 lbs of cheese sauce…

          1. Add 1 tsp to 1 cup of water.
          2. Boil.
          3. Add 1 lb of cheese, any kind.
          4. Heat for an additional 5-10 minutes - you’ll know when it’s done.

          That’s it. Your done.

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          20 hours ago

          It’s way outside of my skill set. Lol. But I just need people to know that I’ll be impressed with gifts of cheese. You know, if anybody wants to impress me. 🤣

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        20 hours ago

        Oh I’m not saying its all 100% bad.

        Having a reasonably healthy, similar tasting alternative is good when it is a good deal cheaper.

        I’m just saying it doesn’t cross my bar of ‘real cheese’.

        Used to be a bit of a brie and wine snob, and I still have the strong opinion that basically all pizzas should be 3 cheese blends, not just one.