I think we’re talking two different things. I’m not saying to buy a giant handgun and wait for robbers to come into your house so you can blast them away.
I’ve known people who fantasize about that. They are gross.
What I’m saying is that the police in the United States have a history of shooting dogs, so they do absolutely nothing for you anti-fascist security. They would absolutely help against theft and robbery because most robbers want to be quick and quiet. Police don’t care.
But so a gun doesn’t help either. It just means they call SWAT and take you down with superior numbers and firepower, doesn’t it?
The only real place where a gun helps is in an actual civil war, or possibly against a single non-governmental bad guy (with risk of being shot yourself as well).
I have a dog. I’m also surrounded by fascists in the deep south. I’m keeping guns because I’d rather live than die for some abstract moral point you’re trying to make about how we should live in a fantasy land where people in fascists states don’t need guns.
What you mean, you don’t want your tombstone to read “Died by blunt-force trauma from an unregulated militia sweeping homes, but at least kept to true to civility and good manners, and that’s what matters most.”?
Haha just kidding, you won’t get a tombstone, they have ovens for that.
What exactly do you think we’re arming to defend against? Roving bands of goblins? Crackheads? Do you even read the news? Do you understand politics at all and the consequences? Do you KNOW that nations have fallen to authoritarians in the past, or does that seem like more “nothing ever happens” daydreaming and worldbuilding?
If that’s how you think this works, you’re the one with the vision of some video game firefight. We are arming up as a message, not because we think we will win against a military force. But so that if electoral politics fails, we have power to back up our resistance. “Door-to-door meat grinder” is the worst five words any military leader wants to hear and we need to make that becomes the standard our political currency is built on.
The whole fucking reason that the hardline conservatives in the US have taken so goddamn much ground and got their clown messiah elected is exactly because they understand we don’t live in a star-trek utopia and have embraced POWER to back up their demands, they carry the flag and own guns and declare their willingness to fight for the things they want.
It’s not about “defeating the military” it’s the knowledge that when they come for you, you will take as many of them with you and hopefully make it too damaging to them to continue the plan so that your neighbor has a chance. It’s about protecting each other through sacrifice.
What are YOU doing? Asking for civil discourse? What era do you think we’re entering? They are literally making databases of people critical of the regime. Get your head out of your ass and understand that people braver than you are actually willing to fight and die for the same things you want, so you get to decide what role you play in getting there.
that is a stupid reply, I’m not engaging anymore and won’t see another brain-dead reply. I hope you never have to worry about this and would kindly prefer you keep your stupid-hole closed when adults are talking about these matters.
Dogs get shot.
Life isn’t a video game.
Ask a real world security professional and they’ll tell you to get a dog.
A gun salesman will tell you that if you buy a gun you automatically become Annie Oakley
I think we’re talking two different things. I’m not saying to buy a giant handgun and wait for robbers to come into your house so you can blast them away.
I’ve known people who fantasize about that. They are gross.
What I’m saying is that the police in the United States have a history of shooting dogs, so they do absolutely nothing for you anti-fascist security. They would absolutely help against theft and robbery because most robbers want to be quick and quiet. Police don’t care.
But so a gun doesn’t help either. It just means they call SWAT and take you down with superior numbers and firepower, doesn’t it?
The only real place where a gun helps is in an actual civil war, or possibly against a single non-governmental bad guy (with risk of being shot yourself as well).
I have a dog. I’m also surrounded by fascists in the deep south. I’m keeping guns because I’d rather live than die for some abstract moral point you’re trying to make about how we should live in a fantasy land where people in fascists states don’t need guns.
What you mean, you don’t want your tombstone to read “Died by blunt-force trauma from an unregulated militia sweeping homes, but at least kept to true to civility and good manners, and that’s what matters most.”?
Haha just kidding, you won’t get a tombstone, they have ovens for that.
I am a (former) real world security professional.
And I’ll say that a gun is much easier to carry around with you than a dog.
I taught my gun to walk, now I don’t have to carry it anymore :D
Good boy!
No they will fucking not.
What exactly do you think we’re arming to defend against? Roving bands of goblins? Crackheads? Do you even read the news? Do you understand politics at all and the consequences? Do you KNOW that nations have fallen to authoritarians in the past, or does that seem like more “nothing ever happens” daydreaming and worldbuilding?
Look up MOVE.
Philadelphia police bombed a house in the middle of the city.
If it comes to an armed conflict, I really doubt that the folks who couldn’t get Bernie nominated are going to win a firefight.
Stop living in videogame land.
If that’s how you think this works, you’re the one with the vision of some video game firefight. We are arming up as a message, not because we think we will win against a military force. But so that if electoral politics fails, we have power to back up our resistance. “Door-to-door meat grinder” is the worst five words any military leader wants to hear and we need to make that becomes the standard our political currency is built on.
The whole fucking reason that the hardline conservatives in the US have taken so goddamn much ground and got their clown messiah elected is exactly because they understand we don’t live in a star-trek utopia and have embraced POWER to back up their demands, they carry the flag and own guns and declare their willingness to fight for the things they want.
It’s not about “defeating the military” it’s the knowledge that when they come for you, you will take as many of them with you and hopefully make it too damaging to them to continue the plan so that your neighbor has a chance. It’s about protecting each other through sacrifice.
What are YOU doing? Asking for civil discourse? What era do you think we’re entering? They are literally making databases of people critical of the regime. Get your head out of your ass and understand that people braver than you are actually willing to fight and die for the same things you want, so you get to decide what role you play in getting there.
Nothing your wrote makes me think you could handle an actual gunfight.
that is a stupid reply, I’m not engaging anymore and won’t see another brain-dead reply. I hope you never have to worry about this and would kindly prefer you keep your stupid-hole closed when adults are talking about these matters.
Nothing you wrote makes me think you could handle a face to face discussion
So what’s your plan? Just give in?
“I think we should run into the cannon’s mouth and choke the enemy with our dead.”
“That sounds like an awful plan.”
“So what’s your plan, just give in??”
I didn’t say that. I’m just a passerby reading your conversation and noticing that you haven’t put any ideas forward. So… what should be done?
We don’t know that. It might be, and unfortunately I think who ever is playing has gotten bored.