Statement by the Secret Service:
An incident occurred the evening of July 13 at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania. The Secret Service has implemented protective measures and the former President is safe. This is now an active Secret Service investigation and further information will be released when available.
Statement by the Trump campaign:
President Trump thanks law enforcement and first responders for their quick action during this heinous act. He is fine and is being checked out at a local medical facility.
Live Coverage: ABC CBS NBC FOX
Sources: shooter is dead, one attendee is dead, blood on bleachers, blood on t-shirts, medical helicopters on the scene
libs: this man will be the next hitler
also libs: I stand with trump after this appalling act
Libs: Violence is never acceptable, even if Trump is an immediate threat to harm countless people.
Also libs: Let’s all thank the Secret Service for immediately killing the shooter.
what a bunch of cowards
also libs: I stand with trump after this appalling act
Hard disagree. From what I’m reading, politicians are condemning an attempt at homicide, nothing more. Voters are following suit.
I seriously do not understand the “My idealogical rival got shot at, I now endorse my idealogical rival.” take. Nobody that isn’t already voting for Trump LIKES Trump.
I now endorse my idealogical rival.
I’m confused. Who is endorsing Trump? Clearly you don’t mean wishing the man well or condemning this attempt on his life?
also libs: I stand with trump after this appalling act
There are moments in history that completely change the course of events for decades to come. We just witnessed literal inches between two possibly extremely different futures. Very strange feeling.
As much as I loathe the guy, I think we all dodged a bullet.
If he died of natural causes last month I don’t think the MAGAts would have rallied behind Desantis, or whomever got the nomination. I’m not saying they wouldn’t have voted for them, just that the excitement wouldn’t be there.
If this has succeeded, the supporters would have transferred and been even more pumped up. And sympathy from those weird fuck undecideds could make the difference, not just in the presidency, but both chambers of Congress, and for their policy goals too.
Riding the wake of an assassination the draconian shit they would push through could have been far worse than anything Trump would have been able to accomplish in a second term.
Take civil rights legislation in the 60s; a lot of what LBJ accomplished was credited to the national feeling after the Kennedy assassination. Would JFK have been able to accomplish all that if he had served eight years with public sentiment toward civil rights being divided?
It sucks that this is boosting his chances in November. But a martyr, a new figurehead, and a more energized base could have been far worse.
Well I think we can all be certain there won’t be any huge downwind effects from this 😐
Yup they’re going to try to rally around this. His stupid little fist thing he was doing while the secret service was around him is scary. It’s plays right into the fascist playbook and his narrative as a victim/brave knight enduring arrows for his common people. I’m sad to say this, but it probably would’ve been better for democracy if they had succeeded. I think he would be easier to handle as a martyr than this tough guy act he’s going to assume after this 😩
It may bring MAGA nuts a few steps closer to the violence they’re eager for an excuse to unleash. If they believe they’re under immediate attack they will feel entitled to attack back. That said, I’m not sure how much difference this will make in the end. Eventually they’ll get violent anyway because they’re fascists.
Then where was the gunfire during their attempted coup at the senate building?
I think the level of threat has been greatly exaggerated by those who stand to profit from the chaos and division.
114 officers reported injuries as a direct result of their attempted coup. 5 later died from injuries they had sustained.
Maybe he’s going to be pro-gun control now.
He is already, but he learned not to speak his mind on that.
Remember that Biden is immune thanks to the SCOTUS.
Seems appropriate to drop this here:
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-reichstag-fire
On February 27, 1933, the German parliament (Reichstag) building burned down. The Nazi leadership and its coalition partners used the fire to claim that Communists were planning a violent uprising. They claimed that emergency legislation was needed to prevent this. The resulting act, commonly known as the Reichstag Fire Decree, abolished a number of constitutional protections and paved the way for Nazi dictatorship.
I was freaking scared when I saw lots of people in my country was cheering Trump’s ralley. It’s not even the old people, they were in their 20s-30s. If Trump succeeds, I don’t see it going well in my country as well… How do I survive in a fascist country? Sad.
How do I survive in a fascist country? Sad.
With a gun, plenty of ammunition, and disciplined range time. Hell, join a gun club before the right starts pushing for tighter gun control.
Does it sound like a suppressed .22 to anyone else?
Hard to tell because it’s a recording, but yeah I was thinking something very small like a 22 short or a high powered BB gun.
Apparently the shooter was in the crowd, which means it wasn’t a long gun of any kind. Probably a pistol, something small enough to conceal. 22 makes sense.
Staged af.
It could be but let’s not jump to conclusions.
I think if it was strong enough to bloody his ear like that then a few centimeters difference could potentially have done very serious damage.
trump has the thickest skull the very best they say they tell me they say donald your skull, and these are world class doctors the very best they say donald your skull its so thick you have the thickest skull it could stop a bullet and it could believe me it could thats what they tell me i dont know if thats true but hey
God dammit, they had to fucking miss
Part of me wishes they didn’t, part of me wonders who would use his martyrdom to do even worse.
That last part is the terrifying bit, honestly. Trump is an egomaniac with the attention span of a toddler. He’s an unguided projectile of spite and vanity.
Imagine someone competent filling his shoes with the unprecedented powers that were recently granted by the supreme court and the rabid MAGA fanbase behind them.
The potential for lasting damage goes (even further) off the scale. I shudder to think what that might actually look like.
Honestly, in the event Biden loses, the best hope the US has is Trump’s general incompetence.
Imagine someone competent filling his shoes with the unprecedented powers that were recently granted by the supreme court and the rabid MAGA fanbase behind them.
During the early pandemic, I was 100% convinced he was going to declare a national state of emergency as a pretense for a kind of coup. It would have been easy to have disproportionate military occupation of population centers like NYC, enforcing curfews, enforcing distancing and masking, while generally fomenting unrest through non-military groups. Throw in some old-fashioned resource scarcity by restricting shipping in the name of quarantine and, baby, you have a stew going. Once people are incited to riot, martial law is easy to justify.
Instead, the Republican party doubled-down on the dumbest plan possible - literally betting on the stupidity of their base - to secure political power. The sheer greed, ego, and narcissism in the upper echelon of their leadership has them stepping on their own feet half the time, and I’m convinced we’re lucky for that.
I’m a flaming liberal, but I’m honestly revolted that, as I write this, your comment has a bunch of upvotes and no downvotes.
This man wants to do things that will make me and many people i love dead or suffering. How do you not understand how we could feel this way?
How you could hate him? I understand. I have a nonbinary kid, and I’m against what he stands for. But advocating for political assassination is just wrong. We don’t punish people for crimes they haven’t yet committed, and we don’t support vigilantism.
We need to vote out fascist Republicans, not kill them.
You know Trump was already president once, right? It’s not like it’s a secret that he’s anti-LGBTQ people.
We Made A List Of All The Anti-LGBT Stuff Trump Has Done As President from 2018, it includes
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Saying it’s legal to fire workers for being transgender.
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Arguing that it’s legal to fire workers for being gay.
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Making transgender female prisoners live with male prisoners.
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Telling the Supreme Court that shopkeepers can turn away LGBT customers.
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Withdrawing protections for transgender students.
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Refusing to investigate anti-transgender discrimination complaints in public schools.
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Trying to kick transgender people out of the military.
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Issuing a religious liberty policy.
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Starting to rescind protections for transgender patients.
and their list goes on.
I’m not sure it’s possible to get a full picture of everything Trump did wrong, even if you narrow it down to specific topics like LGBT rights. A lot of these things aren’t crimes, but that’s only because he was the one writing the laws and policies.
I honestly understand all that, and believe it’s vitally important that he’s defeated. But assassinating political rivals is literally a characteristic of fascism.
It literally isnt: fascism is capitalism in crisis and assassinations have gone on for most of human history, before the development of capitalism in the first place
And the solution to this problem is to murder him? That is not how democracy works. Besides, the problem is not Trump per se, but the people voting for him. That won’t change just because Trump is dead. They will find some other bigoted candidate that will be just as bad if not worse.
People need to be educated and informed and know why it’s a bad idea to vote for someone like Trump - that is the only sustainable way to fix things if you ask me. Murder and violence will only entrench people further on either side and drive people to even more extremes.
Oh stop fuckin being precious. That’s exactly how settler democracy from Amerika to Germany and back works; you CLEARLY don’t know your own history. When you don’t like a world leader who told you ‘no’ at the trade table, the West has him put down. When a world leader proposes divestiture from the petrodollar, the West assaults him in ways you ALL claim to detest with bayonets, then make fucking jokes about it in the days after. When the West need land cleared out for genocidal settlers to put down their stakes, you ALL provide all the weapons in the world.
Amerika’s very ‘democracy’ itself was built on the genocide of Native Amerikans, and slavery of stolen Africans. The hegemon whose comforts, privileges, and treats YOU ENJOY was ALWAYS greased in the blood of the people you ALL consider ‘lesser’. I repeat: you don’t know your own fucking history.
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Ah ok trolling. Nevermind. Move along.
Trolling?
It is sad to see this state of the divide in the US. Even if you are against Trump, you’re not against him enough unless you want him dead. If you don’t want him dead, you must be a troll. What a sad state this debate has reached.
This man wants to do things that will make me and many people i love dead or suffering.
I keep seeing this repeated. What stopped him his first term and where are the corpses of the dead he is responsible for? Legitimately, link me to shit.
Likewise, if his side really were going for an overthrow of the government with the invasion of the senate building, why were there not more instances of gun violence? The republicans are more likely to own guns right? If they really wanted to overthrow shit, why didn’t they come strapped? If they came strapped, why was the only police death from a thrown fire extinguisher causing a brain bleed that killed the victim later that night?
There’s shit that doesn’t add up all over the place, and it bothers me that no one discusses it because they seem afraid to touch anything that might challenge the narrative of Trump’s terribleness and Biden needing to be infallible to win. Trump is more than reprehensible enough without hyperbole.
Not his first term but Trump seems ready to let Israel really take its gloves off and probably let the war expand into Lebanon and maybe Iran. Biden hasn’t really done shit but at least Israel seems somewhat afraid he might pull funding enough not to expand the war too much, trump will probably just give them a blank cheque.
If they really wanted to overthrow shit, why didn’t they come strapped?
Multiple people had firearms at the 1/6 coup attempt, this is well documented. I’m not sure why they never shot anyone, but it wasn’t for lack of firearms.
2020 COVID deaths are on his and his sycophants shoulders.
Because if you start justifying these kinds of things, they will eventually be turned against you and next you know it, your own political representative is being shot at because their opponent’s supporters are feeling threatened just as you are (whether they are truly justified in feeling threatened or not, doesn’t matter).
Democracy does not work with violence.
EDIT: I’m really curious about the downvoters: do you really think murdering your political opponents is justified? The goal is to vote out the fascists, not become fascists.
Killing fascists makes you a fascist?
To crackers, it does; because that’s their only defense for the fascism they already uphold, and the only way they maintain their unjust hegemon.
Murdering your political opponents is a fascist tactic.
Lol that minimizes what fascism actually is. Assassinations have happened throughout history, including before Capitalism and before the crisis within Capitalism that created fascism.
Lol
That “lol” is quite unnecessary. There is no need to ridicule me. I would expect better from a mod of a community like this.
minimizes what fascism actually is
I didn’t say that is all fascism is, just that it is a tactic within fascism. It can be a part of it. But anyway I don’t want to argue what is and isn’t fascism, my point is just that political violence and murdering your political opponents does not work with democracy and shouldn’t ever be hoped for or wanted, even if it is your political opponent being targeted. I want Trump gone as much as the next guy on the fediverse but I don’t want him killed.
I dont think you know what fascism means
Political violence ≠ fascism. Violence is what people turn to when they can’t achieve what they need by merely talking and voting. Cf. every revolution, ever. Including the American one.
Because if you start justifying these kinds of things…
Republicans have already been justifying it. It was only days ago that a Republican said [paraphrasing] “theres a revolution already going on and it will be bloodless if the left doesnt interfere”.
Republicans have already been justifying the death of BIPoC, trans kids, the queer community, Palestinians and anyone who opposes their genocide… the list goes on. And its mealy mouthed liberals that always say shit like “oh but we shouldn’t start justifying using violence, even in defence” from their positions of privilege.
WTF do you think is going to happen after November, whether Trump wins or not? They have been laying out the justification for using violence for 4 fucking years and you’ve slept through it, hoping its just some nightmare you’ll wake up from.
Democracy does not work with violence.
How do you think your form of ‘democracy’ was achieved? You ballot box is awash with so much fucking blood that you would piss your pants if you had a tiny inkling. And most of it is from those who your country mercilessly crushed for you to have it. You dont live in a democracy. You live in a military/prison/pharma industrial corporatist state that masquerades in a trenchcoat as a democratic Republic
Dude, who are the ones actually shooting at people? You so worried about what might happen that you can’t see what’s going on right in front of you.
The guy doing the shooting was a registered republican.
Yeah that’s an interesting development. I have more questions now than I did before.
I’m not sure what you’re saying - since they are justifying violence, you should too? That doesn’t seem sustainable, unless your goal is a civil war.
EDIT for your edit: I am not from the US so I’m not sleeping through anything, I’m just watching from the sidelines. My form of democracy was actually introduced quite peacefully, all things considered. But that’s neither here nor there.
Democracy does not work with violence.
Tell that to every civil rights leader martyred by your so-called ‘democracy’ you comfortable-assed cracker.
The other man already does, for two years, things that made hundreds of thousands people die, get wounded, suffer, etc.
You are asking how people do not understand that you want Trump to be dead because he might hurt people you love, surely with your empathy skills you will be able to understand how people might hate Biden (and perhaps even want to see him dead as well) for what he did (and continues doing)?
Or is it only sad when the people you love are suffering? The other people do matter, right?
I’m a flaming liberal
tell us something we don’t know
You libs drone all the time in every media how the guy is an enemy of democracy, second coming of Hitler and needs to be stopped for any price. Yet you are “revolted” when someone taken it seriously.
Democracy needs to be saved through democratic processes, not a lawless assassination attempt, otherwise it would be disingenious to want to protect it and its values.
How are the Dems going to top this?
Assassin leaves a banana peel in front of Biden.
That’s no attempt, that’s instant death.
Big W for the Trump campaign…
The speed at which he was turned into a hero and merchandise was made is a testament to the efficiency and responsiveness of capitalism.
Are you kidding? The only things in this universe capable of superluminal speeds are a good rumor and merchandising opportunities
Also monarchy. You guillotine a king and the monarchy instantly jumps to the next one.
That’s probably why being a crown prince in medieval times was more hazardous than a bering strait crab fisherman running for president of the United States
Actually it was very very safe, if you compare it with peasants or burghers with occupational hazard being very low. Well, unless you were an Ottoman prince.
Yep, the person who did this is an idiot. They don’t realize all they did was help his cause and give him that much stronger of a chance of winning presidency.
I mean, they probably don’t realize anything anymore given that they had bullets actually go through them.
Liberals still believe in Great Man Theory.
If he died, another would take his place and wins for sure as revenge.
Now that he lived, he has excellent PR.
Biden is constantly taking Ls with his voterbase, like pursuance of Genocide and general brain melting.
Trump is constantly on the rise with his voterbase.
This is why Adventurism doesn’t work, and why Leftists need to join an org like PSL and work towards building dual power.
Sure but his replacement wouldn’t be him, so at least some harm would have been avoided that way, but you’re right. It would have been much better if this never happened.
Yes and no. We have no crystal ball, ultimately the material conditions for fascism are still present in the US, and they will not go away even with 10 straight DNC victories. America is a dying Empire, so reactionary thinking, trying to turn the clock back, is on the rise.
Leftism must become the status quo to survive fascism.
There would be some harm reduction, yes, and I would have probably celebrated had Trump been popped, but his replacement would be just as bad, merely delayed.
If they wanted to help the democrats, they shot the wrong candidate
