Makes sense, ones an inoffensive cartoon, the others a cunt who should die.
Reddit admins would have permabanned for this comment though their masters are doing same comments inflicting violence but IRL. Love lemmy for free speech
I lived in china for 4 years and Winnie has Def never been outlawed. Chinese censorship is much more sophisticated than “hey, that’s illegal.” There’s not a list of pictures or memes or phrases that if you’re caught with you’ll get a visit from the police. No no no. There are hundreds of thousands of people monitoring social media for the latest “subversive” trends. When a new trend develops that content is blacklisted and just not allowed to be spread. You’ll send your friend a picture and it never shows up on their phone. There’s no indication on your end that it didn’t send or they didn’t get it. You can have this content on your phone, the CCP doesn’t care. They care about it spreading. And you’ll never get in trouble for trying to spread it because the system doesn’t allow it to spread.
That happens to me on YouTube; the only way I can talk to some people is on rednote.
That’s actually kinda cool in a techno dyatopian kinda way.
I was going to say horrifying.
Yeah it is horrifying but it is a cool concept. Ofc you’ll know something is off when your friend doesn’t respond to what you sent them.
definitely beats having fascism spread around unchecked (and even encouraged) like us tech companies.
If that was the only thing they censored then I don’t think as many people would mind
i don’t think most people actually living in china mind it very much at all.
You don’t think they mind the censorship or what do you mean
yes
I mean could be, most people aren’t French and just take most stuff even if it’s not great
“Only those who agree are allowed to be heard, but trust me bro, everyone agrees”
no, i personally think its fascists specifically that shouldn’t be heard, and even then most can change their minds away from it. most of the rest can be reasoned with, talked to and compromised with.
When they find out the extent of the censorship they mind very much. But that’s the problem, the censorship is so deep and so good that the vast majority of the Chinese never find out how extensive it is, because it’s not just your WeChat, it’s ALL MEDIA. The Chinese don’t have access to over 90% of the internet, so they never find out what’s out there or know what information they’re missing.
And you’re just trading one dystopian nightmare for another. Saying one is better than the other is like saying having a foot cut off is better than losing a kidney. There is nuance, they’re both bad.
Its pretty trivial to get a vpn, or just download an esim in alipay. Esims automatically go around the Great Fire Wall.
the censorship is so deep and so good that the vast majority of the Chinese never find out how extensive it is, because it’s not just your WeChat, it’s ALL MEDIA.
Have you considered it’s actually the other way around?
The problem is the censorship is so deep and so good that the vast majority of westerners never find out how extensive it is, because it’s not just your nazi.world, it’s ALL MEDIA.
Are you seriously trying to say that western relations are more censored than china’s? One of those countries has locked off Internet. The other does not.
Yes. But like I said, I lived there for years. True, the western media gets a lot of things wrong. But china is heavily censored, there’s no way around that reality.
they never find out what’s out there or know what information they’re missing
its literally really common in china for people to use VPNs to get around the blocks.
i suggest you read some leftist theory despite the propaganda your country does to make you hate it, you don’t seem to know you are missing it dearly in the US.
Buddy, I lived there for years. My sources are the hundreds of Chinese people I spoke to in their native tongue for years. Not the propaganda from my country. True, SOME Chinese people have VPNs. Most do not.
And I think the more poignant question is this. Why do they need a VPN to access the wider internet in the first place?
i suggest you read some leftist theory despite the propaganda your country does to make you hate it
Dude. They literally started the first comment with “I lived in China for 4 years”. When you start trying to “um actually” people with years of first-hand experience, it might be time to reflect on your own biases
Should openly fascist people be allowed to vote in your opinion? Just curious what peoples’ take on this is.
No, reactionaries should be rehabilitated to the best of society’s capabilities. Participation in society isn’t sacred, the purpose of democracy is to deliver the best results for the most amount of people. Reactionaries that wish to expel and murder minority groups should be treated as any other violent criminal, through rehabilitation if possible.
Seems more like Huxley than Orwell.
They get you with inconvenience instead of brute force.
stop talking about novels like they’re historical studies or facts
How dare people use novels used to express political thoughts when political topics come up.
As we all know, a cultural understanding of works of literature that influenced its readers is exactly like one weirdo on twitter being weird about a movie. Brilliant.
#TrumpWinning looking like the next #Orwell novel and the good guys lost. My god.
Getting too close to comfort for you?
no, it’s a novel, it’s a work of fiction, not a piece of theory or history that you can quote, the ending and the world is entirely built by the writer, there’s no study it’s literally arguments made up by the writer based on no sources or research, anyone can write a dystopian story, I could write a dystopian story and quote it right now, it’s not argument, it’s stupid.
You know, in my novel of people who quote novels ending up as nazis, you do resemble it a lot.
/\ as valid as using a novel like 1984 or animal farm or whatever else as an argument
It’s not history, but it’s certainly theory. The study it’s based on is through observations of reality. When comparing something to one of these books, we’re testing their observations by comparing them to reality. Incidentally, it gets brought up a lot when an event, occurrence, or vector in society begins to resemble these books too closely.
Your hyperbole of people quoting books all being nazis, on the other hand, is very easily disproven.
“this is giving boss baby vibes” except actually trying to make a point out of it
Your hyperbole of people quoting books all being nazis
Only the dumbest fucking people pull this shit and you are as fucking stupid as can be measured
Considering what you measure with, that doesn’t have much meaning.
1984 and Brave New World are allegories based on real life social observations and events. So, yes, they are based on history. They are famous for a reason. It is just that you find it too close to comfort.
They’re famous because the US regime uses them to indoctrinate children in their flag pledging factories
I don’t think I heard Americans pledge in the name of Huxley and Orwell.
my 3 sentence novel is also based on observing you.
Yes, anyone right of you is a Nazi.
How original. Pulitzer prize winning.
The fact that they’re this mad says yes.
Reminds me of the same reaction, but inverse for the right, when Squid Game first came out. The right keeps insisting that the show is about socialism, even though the creator explicitly mentioned it’s about capitalism.
it’s a massive fucking lie anyway; anyone who’s been to china can tell you they have winnie the pooh merch in every fuckin’ shop. winnie the pooh is very popular there.
I think the top comment is the real answer on this.
There is censorship in China, as well as in the west. They just operate very differently.
In the west, outside the US, I think it’d be fairly easy to argue there’s more censorship in China. (Even with the pretty depressing clamp down on right to protest, and suppressing of anti-israel speech in many forms happening at the moment)
Equally though, people massively overblow what censorship is actually like in China. I’m not gonna get disappeared next time I go to China just for this comment. Or even if I overtly criticised the government on real-name social media.
tl;dr “China bad!” and “China so good!” are both equally annoying positions to find on the internet.
Reality is nuanced, but that doesn’t seem to make people happy.
suppression of anti-israel speech
any source on this because what I’m seeing on xiaohongshu is quite the opposite
I believe they’re saying the stuff in the parentheses are things the US is doing
Ah that makes way more sense
You won’t get disappeared so long as you’re parent country is on good terms with China. If not you make a convenient pawn.
The top comment about an inoffensive cartoon vs a terrible person?
So they’re surely just randomly banning those words from videogames
Idk man. People typically use it to be racist against Chinese folk. It’s not crazy that video game moderation teams would ban a common insult against a race of players.
I also don’t know anything, but it sounds like none of us do and we are just speculating
I knew woke leftists making vidyagames political was CCP plot
Is there a source for this claim? Or just something you’ve noticed?
Basically all games tencent have stock in ban saying 'winnie the pooh"
I feel like people already forgot about the hearthstone hongkong debacle, when Blizzard Activision bent their asses for tencent and banned him
Basically all games by UBIsoft or EA in stock ban saying: “Fredthefishlord is sinophobic lib”
You just can’t make memes about Xi using Pooh on social media I guess.
Out of curiosity, is there any Chinese source that says that? Or are we just operating off memes we have seen?
I feel like the Taiwanese air force wouldn’t bother with these unofficial patches if there weren’t at least some truth to it.
A punch in the face for Xi caricature: Taiwan air force badge goes viral
Taiwanese are rushing to buy patches being worn by their air force pilots that depict a Formosan black bear punching Winnie the Pooh - representing China’s President Xi Jinping - as a defiant symbol of the island’s resistance to Chinese war games.
Well you are foolish if you really think this proves anything. There is a long history of anti-China movements catering to the west for sympathy, as that’s their main backer. Protest signs in English and this are just part of an appeal to the west.
All this proves is that they have heard the same stupid memes you have.
Gets asked for a Chinese source, posts Reuters
I thought about asking how would state controlled media be able to publish anything about an image if it’s banned. Then I figured that’s pretty obvious, and didn’t want to ruffle any feathers. Should have known better than to try and go against the narrative. My bad.
Brother. You must say something is banned for it to be banned. You can’t just vibe ban something. You have to tell people “hey, stop doing this”. Where is that message
Who’s talking about getting something from state controlled media?
😂
Have they cast themselves as ‘pedo bear’?
I feel like the Taiwanese air force wouldn’t bother with these unofficial patches if there weren’t at least some truth to it.
I don’t see the logic in this sentence. What makes those soldiers a more reliable source than you or me? Taiwanese people read memes too.
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I’m literally in a Chinese hostel right now with a Winnie the pooh mattress.
You fool, the CCP thought police unit are going to backtrace your photo and execute the hostel owner and their entire bloodline now!!!
Lmao imagine the Chinese equivalent to Epstein is getting photos of people with Winnie the Pooh contraband and using that to keep them in line
I’m just curious if the “fun countries” will “let me right in” because of my profile picture?
i mean, should a meme that’s not exceedingly political but pokes slight fun of a political figure increase the chances of you getting into a given country, when its on your phone?
on the other hand it would be kind of funny if having pictures of bald eagles and us flags and pro trump memes on your phone made la migra care more about the immigrants they are deporting.
i mean, should a meme that’s not exceedingly political but pokes slight fun of a political figure increase the chances of you getting into a given country, when its on your phone?
No, it’s a double edged sword, it is.
on the other hand it would be kind of funny if having pictures of bald eagles and us flags and pro trump memes on your phone made la migra care more about the immigrants they are deporting.
Again, no. I only have so much room on my phone for corny-ass-mostly-lazy-spoiled-shits; mainly cats.
Again, no. I only have so much room on my phone for corny-ass-mostly-lazy-spoiled-shits; mainly cats.
Catland immigration policies are pretty clear you get full citizenship.
Yeah, I’d be fine with it… but honestly Cats take the hardest advantages from me out of any species I’ve come across.
I do like them very much, though. I’ll consider it.
Didn’t this turn out to be fake?
No, his face really does look like that
More proof he looks like this
Have you even said thank you?
No, that is actually the vice president of the USA.
Trump loves dictators and is trying to emulate them.
I mean the first person they mention in comparison is Putin who isn’t an Asian
That’s really not the point
yeah it is. WTF is with lemmy always simping for china? Are we supposed to pretend nothing is wrong with China?
???
Are you reading a different comment thread to me?
Depends how pedantic you want to be. A large portion of Russian land is in Asia.
Right but it doesn’t make all Russians Asian.
Hasn’t stopped liberals from doing orientalism when they call for doing genocide on them
Is it more important what percentage of their population is past the Urals or how ‘savage foreign enemy’ tropes are being used?
It’s probably more important if Putin the actual person is actually Asian or not. And he isn’t lol he is of Russian ethnicity and born in Europe to Russian parents who were also born in Europe.
It’s probably more important if Putin the actual person is actually Asian or not
wrong
for the reasons already mentioned but not addressed
Through conquest and colonial exploits though. That’s like saying Macron is South American because French Guiana exists. Putin was born and raised in St Petersburg; a historically Finnic territory if anything
… please tell me, what continent is Russia located in?
Russia is a European country at its core controlling a vast portion of Asia through invasion and colonial exploits. France is also located in the Pacific, North America, South America, Africa, but no one would claim that it’s not a European nation.
mfw colonialism is a vacuous vibe based word I get to use however I want
Please do tell me how Russia, as the direct successor state of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union - having exploited, resettled, and genocided millions of people from hundreds of different ethnicities - should NOT be consider a colonial state. You think Slavs are native to Sakhalin or something?
my eyes blurred with boredom while you were spending half your reply on framing
can you just do me a favor and edit that down and reply again with it? thanks
Funny meme but it’s worth noting that he wasn’t denied entry to the US for the meme. It was because they found messages between him and his drug dealer.
