I have to wonder if the main reason for this is just embarassment. They like girls, they want to impress said girls. Sucking at the game won’t impress them. Especially if the girls also play it and don’t suck.
Ah yes, the old “if I can’t impress girls with my skill I’ll impress them with belittlement and open hostility instead”
Not to impress, but to push away so they don’t witness the embaressment or don’t start making fun of them. Remeber, offense is the best defense.
Try working in social services.
All female-dominated services and agencies, the hatred against men is appalling.
The irony is so thick you could cut it with a knife.
In short, all systems of power, regardless of the identity of the people who make up those systems, reject ANYTHING that disrupts it.
Nursing in particular is known to have this problem… wish everyone could be nicer to each other :/
I used to hate when a woman would join our party, because suddenly all the men would be trying to knock eachother down and act up to impress her, and whatever happy little unity we had would crumble quickly.
No fault of the woman’s, she just wants to play the game like the rest of us, but as soon as I hear a girls voice I groan inside and “oh here we fucking go”
It physically hurts to recall starving for the attention of a member of the opposite sex.
When I’m in a male dominated space and a woman joins, I feel myself over-compensating in trying to be welcoming to the woman. I want to be the “good guy”. I sort of feel like I should make that effort. But also I’d rather just get on with it and not have to think about it.
Yup, same boat. I want to make sure they feel welcomed to the group but I don’t want to make them feel like an “other”
What game? Most competitive e game guy players iI have encountered are hostile to women players.
MMOs mostly, Rappelz I spent the most time in. I noticed it a lot in Destiny raids too though.
I almost never partied up in competitive games. You only get to get a team wanting to stay together after you have a really good game, and thats only ever because the enemy team sucked. As soon as you come up against a team better than the one you built your fairweather friends turn nasty.
I read a book a while back that was called a “guide to mating” or something that was actually pretty decent and included some very objectively anthropological / sociological explanations of why if you’re ugly you better at least be a good person. “Well why should I have you be nice if the hot guys don’t?” Look dude do you wanna fuck or not? Weird that some guys will only hear that from another man but…
“Misogyny is a skill issue?”.
👨🚀 🔫👨🚀 “Always has been.”
Post structuralists in shambles
“Misogyny is a skill issue”.
Women-hating PUAs/incels explained succinctly! But when the average man in your community has that ‘skill issue’, it becomes a cultural problem.
I remember an E-Game tournament and the last round was a male player vs a female player.
The guy twitted he was going to r*** her [in the game].
Later he defended himself that r*** word is commonly used by online [male] players and people were too serious.
He was disqualified instantly
That’s online gamer toxic masculinity.
That must havd been so disappointing; an opponent losing so hard you don’t even get to win.
And here I am reminiscing about THIS being our greatest problem in society.
I really didn’t appreciate how bad it was, until I witnessed my wife being subjected to this shit.
One time I was playing Star Trek: Bridge Crew with a couple randos. We’d been playing for at least half an hour, and they seemed like nice guys. My wife had just finished watching all of TNG, and she excitedly asked if she could try playing for a round.
The moment my wife’s voice hit the mic, these two neckbeards turned into complete pieces of shit, and started right in on harassing her and talking down. I watched her face sink. She took off the vr headset, and hasn’t touched it since. I don’t think she’s even watched Star Trek since, it was such a sour experience.
And these were the stereotypical ‘I struggle with women’ type of neckbeards. No shit. Maybe if you didn’t treat them as subhuman, one of them might speak to you.
They don’t struggle with women. Struggling implies making an effort. They’re just losers.
Misogyny, not unlike racism or other forms of bigotry are all forms of insecurity.
I think a lot of people have noticed this but it’s surprising how many people haven’t.
It seems pretty obvious. It’s a big red flag. Bigots try to hurt others to feel superior. And they always go after the person in the vicinity that they think will give them the least challenge.
This is why it’s up to the rest of us to call them out. Make it so they fear the retribution from harassing others.
The funny thing is, that’s also why we have separate male-female sports categories in all of sports. Back then it was not only easier for women to compete against men due to less advanced nutrition and sports science, but also men placing behind women were also furious, and men regularly got beaten in chess, etc.
Chess is a fun case. There’s an unmarked leage and a cis-women’s league (last i heard they were terfing hard, i guess trans somen have a natural advantage or something?), and the latter was originally to cut harassment.
Opinion. Not a “gamer fact”. Screen shot this comment and repost it somewhere else to add to the social-mediacepion. Is it possible the 'higher-skilled", again an opinion, players have a different common factor? Like maybe age. Maybe people who suck at games just talk more shit because they suck. Sure thing with the “gamer fact”
The observations are a fact, the 2nd part is a possible explanation that you could call an opinion.
Is it possible the 'higher-skilled", again an opinion, players have a different common factor? Like maybe age.
Ok, but that doesn’t change it
This seems to be the study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4503401/
It’s a study; I imagine they controlled for age and other factors if the article states the study “found”, not “suggested” or similar looser term. It’s not an opinion, but a result of a scientific process. Your dislike for term “gamer fact”, even if it’s a bit cringe, doesn’t change that.
imagine they controlled
I’ve read the study. They didn’t. N=163, all anonymous. In the study they played Halo 3, recorded voice over and measured the reactions (if any), and then correlated the few reactions they got with skill level.
Nothing is known about participants. The gamers gender was determined based on institute of my ass, out of 163 games there were no responses in almost half, and in the Introduction they admit what they’ll manipulate their result to prove thesis.
Oh, and the data collected contains also female negative responses, they were removed from further processing because women good men bad.
Interestingly the female-negative raw data (examples picked by study authors in appendix 2)
“Yeah, stop stealing my kills, you little piece of shit.”
“Shut up, you removed. She’s a removed though.”
“Should’ve made me a sandwich, removed.
Vs male-negative:
“Freaking removed.”
“I liked your lag trick, jackass.”
“You suck dick.”
Could be my bias, but male-negative from data set sounds significantly less sexists than female-negative. Female negative more often is aggression related to gender, male negative is less personal.
I mean any women knows this.
Sure, but studies like this can still be useful for proving it when it counts. Anecdotal evidence isn’t exactly the most reliable, so having controlled studies with actual numbers can be valuable as references when examining things critically.
Yeah but they’re more useful for convincing people than scientific studies.
