• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    I hope everyone that keeps down voting me for talking about WW3 are right…

    But man, it really is starting to look like WW3

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      People forgot how long it took the other world wars to really get rolling. (Presumably because they weren’t alive when it happened.)

      I’m also of the opinion that unless something happens to de-escalate this conflict it will inevitably draw Europe, the US, and China in.

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        They also forget about the 4+1 treaty.

        If Israel expands to other countries, it would draw Russia in on their side, and the US on Israel’s

        Which now also brings NK in. And we’ve got a multi front multi country war with two distinct fronts.

        People might not call it WW3, but there’s a world war coming straight ahead, and as good of a movie as it was, I dont want to recreate the Titanic

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        Everybody is already in and picked the side…

        We just waiting for the other shoe to drop… Is US Marines landing in Crimea or other wild scenario where everyone goes: " well damn and that’s how it turned into ww3"

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          We are also hoping it doesn’t turn into WWIII. It could for sure, but there is the possibility that things can calm down in a few years.

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      To me it looks like N Korea wanting to acquire some direct combat experience to continue to develop their skills and capabilities.

      But yes, personally I was not expecting this.

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      They didn’t start calling WWII what it is until 1944, but I think we can all agree it didn’t start in 1944.
      Just like later historians placed the start of WWII on multiple different events depending on which country you’re in, the start of World War III will be long before we start calling it that.
      I’m in the camp that the start of WW3 will be the Russian invasion of Ukraine if things continue to escalate the way they’re going, because that’s when you really started seeing lines being drawn between the axis and allies.
      Russia, China, Iran, and NK are the most recognizable names that have aligned themselves with the axis so far.
      The lines are already drawn and future events will dictate whether or not we’re currently living in WW3 today.

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        And some would argue that WW1 was WW2 and WW2 WAS WW3. The 7 years war/French and Indian (not French vs Indian) war are commonly referred to as the real first world war. And then the Nepoleonic wars are similarly thought of by some to have been a world war of sorts

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      Not really, proxy wars have been fought with multiple nations before.

      … practically everyone was in Syria… Russia, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Armenia, Qatar, The USA, ISIS, Al-queda, and Syrian forces.

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        Not exactly a proxy war when Russian troops are personally in Ukraine. That’s just a war.

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          The Korean War had over a million NATO troops and also tens of thousands of Soviet troops and, somehow, remained a proxy war. A particularly bloody one, but there was still no actual open full-scale warfare between NATO and the Warsaw Pact. Even China and America remained officially at peace, despite making up the majority of the forces on each side

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          Russia is actively in Syria from the end of 2015 as an official belligerent, it’s not something new for Russia to fight directly while others use only proxies.

          But I can see your point; still - officially - this is only a three days military operation. When that stance will finally change in the official channels, it will mean they can’t hold the mask anymore.

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          It’s a proxy war because the two major powers are fighting in an area neither of them own.

          Iraq was a proxy war, even though US troops were there.

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      To me, it does not seem wise to just let these two continue along this path, but I am certain there are numerous internet experts out there who can explain to me why we should not intervene.

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        How would you propose the intervention happen? Sit Kim down and say “bad boy, stop it”?

        What can “the west” really do to prevent or stop troops from NK being sent to the Ukraine front?

        Russia isn’t going to stop them from crossing their border.

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          What can “the west” really do to prevent or stop troops from NK being sent to the Ukraine front?

          Drop leaflets on them inviting them to surrender and upgrade their lives to South Korean national.

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        5 months ago

        You mean Russia and NK?

        Or you meant the two countries in the middle of illegal invasions: Russia and Israel?

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          Fuck Israel, but that being said what the hell does Israel have to do with anything here?

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            Israel and Hezbollah have been exchanging rocket fire, and Israel is talking about a ground invasion.

            Hezbollah has a defense treaty with Iran, Iraq, Russia, and another ME country I’m blanking on.

            If Israel invaded Lebanon in an attack on Hezbollah, that draws in Russia, and likely NK.

            Israel and Russia are the two countries invading others that I believe are the primary drivers towards WW3. NK is just a long for the ride until/unless they launch an attack on SK.

            But I think before that happens, we’ll solidly be in WW3. I think NK is onboard now, with the promise to be backed against SK later. No one is attack NK unless NK starts some shit, they don’t need a defense treaty.

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      But man, it really is starting to look like WW3

      It looks more like Crimean War II to me.

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        I honestly think he might legitimately believe that a couple platoons of NK soldiers will clear this whole mess right up and then the world will have to take them seriously.

        The North Korean leadership is not exactly well known for their excellent grasp of reality.

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          My thought is maybe either food or arms or research for arms production/nukes from the Russians.

          Edit Addendum: the article says as much actually lol. This is what I get for just trying to get an idea of NK actions from the title.