Valuing how to properly research things and having critical thinking skills is an ideology. And it’s a dangerous one to those whose ideology is faith-based epistemology.
Sometimes it’s faith. Others, it’s misguided distrust.
We’re taught to take facts as truth in primary school, then taught to challenge those facts in higher education. As we mature, our desire to doubt naturally grows. Without education on how to properly research, those misguided feelings of doubt lead to anti-vax, flat Earth, and Egyptian alien conspiracy theories.
They’re right in thinking the government is corrupt. They just don’t understand why they shouldn’t trust Truth Social either.
In grade school, I can think of two specific examples where we were taught a lesson that was supposed to develop critical thinking skills. The infamous Tongue Map and the Mpemba Effect (hot water freezes faster than cold water)
Both of these are examples where an authority will confidently tell you a fact (which is bogus), then have you conduct an experiment which ought to disprove them.
I did the tongue map in kindergarten. It’s obvious that it doesn’t hold up, but when I told my teacher about it she said I must have been doing it wrong. Later in grade school I did the experiment to ‘confirm’ the Mpemba effect. Despite the evidence before me I still lied on report and said that the hot water froze faster because I thought that’s what the teacher wanted. Apparently so did half the class, and because we did the experiment we all got a passing grade and were never told that it was supposed to be false.
So I dunno. I guess they ought to teach critical thinking at a young age, but the instructors have to buy into it to.
And I would’ve gotten away with it too if it weren’t for you meddling empiricists!
Hey Time Traveller, welcome to 2024!
Now I know back in the 19th, ideology was just a term to denote a set of ideas.
And that’s cool and all. Viva la Renaissance!
But we kind of diverged from then and did some injustice to the etymology of the word. Now it’s more like a synonym for dogma and it has negative connotations of irrationality and an unwillingness to examine arguments critically.
Hope you enjoy your time in the 21st century and wait until you hear about what we did with the word “Gay”.
Can you please elaborate on what you mean by how that’s dangerous? Do you mean that how we’re taught to apply critical thinking and proper research while being overconfident in those tools leads to poor beliefs because the methods may be flawed or based on a false premise? Or do you mean something else? I don’t think I understand completely.
(Please note I’m a bit sleepy but also intrigued.)
Zachariah’s saying that empiricism, cricical thinking, and scientific reasoning are seen as dangerous by people whose worldviews are based on faith rather than reality because questioning traditional and baseless narratives about the world causes cognitive dissonance. I think that the people who find it most dangerous are those in positions of power on the basis of those narratives who don’t want their followers or supporters to stop believing.
Reality has a left-leaning bias.
To put it another way, in a democracy where most people have to work for a living, its politically expedient for socialists to tell the truth and for aristocrats to lie.
Living in their goddamn cities, reading their goddamn books. I aint never not read nothing, and I’m fine!
My friend is a photojournalist who covers right wing extremists, and has been in many high profile situations interacting with them. He says they’re all just dumber than a bag of hammers, nothing more.
Yes, that coupled with tribalism makes them very easy to manipulate.
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Yep. He was into Christian Identity and those people are MORONS. I tricked Reddit into giving me their subreddit and then banned them all.
To be honest, I was taught a little bit of anti-rightwing knowledge in university mandated “elective” courses. Nothing as drastic as the conservatives make it out to be.
I had a class on privilege, Basically, how the system games minorities (less pay for women, higher chance for black men to run afoul of the police). The goal was to for graduates to never think “black people are poor because they want to be poor.”
My English 101 class also involved a textbook that was very image positive (involving trans identities, women covered in tattoos, etc.)
I went to an urban university in the same part of the county try I was born in.
The left has a truth bias
Its more true for the left.
There are still truths the extreme left lies about for political reasons.
I just wish we had a political party where all truth was the priority.
Reality leans left.
I’d say more nature… since we (living beings) are chiral at the core
And also chiral everywhere else
The price of college loans and the resulting inability to get anywhere to live after leaving is the indoctrination.
Why else would the right have explicitly Christian colleges, if not to counter the supposed liberal and atheist propaganda from the left?
Also, the fact that throughout history, both the far-left and far-right dictatorships target intellectuals first as the first show of power. Which shows that colleges are not inherently biased to any ideologies. I don’t need to mention what the Nazis did, but I want to remind what the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia did to intellectuals and those who simply wear glasses (i.e. nerd looking). From the far-left perspective, colleges are too right. And the far-right thinks colleges are too left.
the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia
Name me some examples of their leftwing ideologies please. If you’re struggling to name any, take that as a hint.
They’re still considered left and identified as such.
I know Lemmy can be left leaning so I guess my analysis made some assholes sore.
Edit: to answer your question, Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot believed that society must be organised by peasants alone, and intellectuals have no place in it. Hence, the purge and genocide. That belief can’t get anymore left.
Ah yes, leftwing ideas such as equality of all people, human rights and class-based genocide.
There were autocratic totalitarians with a genocidal hiërarchy. None of those are left…
Too bad those who preach never put them in practice and end up like those they hate.
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Stay like a parroting NPC.
Primary education, on the other hand, is deep liberal indoctrination where you learn America is the first and greatest democracy, the Natives all mysteriously died for no reason, racism ended when we abolished slavery, and America is the hero of the free world.
I grew up in western public education, and I definitely learned poor treatment of indigenous, the varying ideologies, and ways of life that exist in the world, as well as the pre-cursors to western democracy. I’m not unique in this.
In no way, shape, or form is what you’re saying the reality in most of North America, for quite a long time.
The caveat being, the southern states do have what you’re talking about at a systemic level, but the ideas you’re expressing being the norm in the majority of North America (the rest of the states, and Canada), haven’t been the case for the past 40-50 years.
That doesn’t mean there aren’t deep systemic issues within our education system with the factors you bring up (indigenous peoples, democracy, and our “place” internationally, etc), it’s just far more nuanced than whatever bullshit you’re trying to sell.
So tired of seeing your rhetoric on here, dude…what’s the deal?
Public school US history textbooks do not tell that America was founded on anti-democratic principles and was built from its foundation to suppress democracy, do not tell the story of how the US government hunted buffalo into extinction in the wild to starve the Plains Indians, do not tell about the systematic abduction of Native children to be raised by white families and erase Native heritage, do not tell the story of the hero John Brown who hunted down slave owners, do not teach about how the US turned on Ho Chi Minh when he reached out to America to help with his own country’s war for independence, do not tell of how the US attacked Soviet Russia to aid the overthrow of the Bolsheviks during the Russian Revolution, and do in fact preach that systemic racism isn’t real and racism is merely an individualist phenomenon where some people are racist but the United States is not a racist white settler state. You literally believe racism is over in most of America! Yet you want to pretend like you weren’t taught that?
Some schools sometimes have some good teachers, but the majority are propaganda dispensaries. Structural racism exists and one of the ways structural racism expresses itself is in the public school system.
Read Lies My Teacher Told Me. It was written in 1995 and updated in 2007, there’ve been some improvements since then, but we have not solved the problem. The people who try to solve the problem are accused of teaching “”“Critical Race Theory”“” and are publicly and personally smeared by the media and one of the only two ruling US parties.
If you were raised in the south, also that slavery was never really a big deal anyways and it was mostly a deal with the North like just being really unfair and mean.
Oh yeah, also the slaves benefited from slavery because it gave them shelter and food and useful life skills.
Also also the Civil War was about evil Northern aggression and the Confederacy is heritage, not hate.
