Lmfaooooooo
Yeah, it’s the Murdockification of GB. Look at the US.
Rupert Murdock needs be banned from owning media outlets.
Anyone should be banned from owning media outlets
Media outlets should be sponsored by independent non profits which in turn are government sponsored. These independent outlets can then pay independent news outlets on the condition that they bring independent and neutral news, just the facts, and all the facts.
Anyone steps out of line and let’s a little too much bias flow will see their payments reduced until they become neutral again
The trouble with that is the government of the day decides what is neutral and factual.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
The ghoul is a big part of a reason the world is the way it is today.
He and his heirs need lined up against a wall.
Don’t worry, the American public is also wrong about nearly everything.
Who do you think taught America to be dumb AF?
The British are the Americans of Europe, so this tracks.
I mean, it makes total sense, that’s where our founders came from.
You, dumbass!
I taught you to be dumbasses, not to be dumb as fuck.
Bold of you to assume I’m American
I’m a dumbass, what did ya expect?
Yeah, living in the UK I’m not surprised.
Right wing lies are spread non-stop to blame people on benefits, immigrants or the EU for problems caused by poor policy decisions, usually those made in service of people who are already rich.
I’ve personally met people who think that benefit cheats (people who are getting “too much” financial support from tej government) are a huge problem, when they make up only a tiny amount of our costs compared to wage theft, military spending and tax breaks.
In france companies gets 279 BILLION euros of help every year (of course no verification is done, and it’s hidden in “lower charges/taxes” instead of “handouts”). Thats 900€ per working person.
Per month.
And we’re supposed to be angry at poor people just trying to get by? I wonder why /s
They have no understanding of statistics or causality and correlation… they lack any critical thinking skills and blindly believe what they are told and can normally be guaranteed to consume their media from predictable sources (facebook, telegraph, daily mail, xhitter and so forth).
My sister is becoming one of those… she refuses to watch the news because it’s depressing and has no understanding of the world outside of her own little bubble or facebook… she voted for brexit and has tried to deny it ever since instead of admitting she was fooled into doing so by the lies of racists, rich wankers who wanted to protect their tax haves and avoidance. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out she voted for reform or tory last election or would do in the next.
They don’t even have a basic understanding of anything nor the curiosity to pursue something.
I’ve spoken to far too many people buying the anti immigration rhetoric, particularly asylum, and I’ll just simply ask them how do you apply for asylum here and not a fucking one can tell me basic information from our own government website.
When I say well you have to be in the country to make an application so we have created this so called boats crisis.
Then you can ask what would a solution to this be and it’s just vacant stares. Rather than hey we could let people apply from Europe and then the boats stop.
This is the same for the correlation between Brexit and us being unable to send back as may people and all other topics.
For the first time in my life I feel a glimmer of hope with The Green Party as they’re literally giving all the same talking points that this dumb ass pot head has been forcing down my mates throats for decades.
The other thing is it works with close friends if you push back or ask simple questions enough they actually begin to notice and then you can really feel some pride when your best mates will argue your talking points against others and you just sit and marvel at your creation and think I did that, whether I am right or wrong in my beliefs someone respected me enough to listen and think for themselves for once.
It gets even better when you tell them that the tories, removed every single legal way to apply for asylum, leaving the only possible way for them to apply is to get here illegally and make their claim then. It’s literally an artificial and deliberately engineered problem to stoke division and rile up the bigots to vote for those promising to fix the problem… and all of those making those promises are grifters only looking to gain power and wealth for themselves.
I dont blame her for denying it. I get enough grief for telling people I chose not to vote because I didnt understand it.
The difference is that you are honest about your reasons, she lies because she’s too ashamed to admit that she was conned… you are not the same.
And this is because 99% of our press is explicitly right-wing and has a somewhat fuzzy relationship with truth.
Thanks, Murdoch!
Capitalists should not be allowed to own media. Or really have any say whatsoever over how society functions. Why would any society allow someone whose sole interest is themselves to have power over anyone else?
And they haven’t got any righter since that headline was written in 2013.
Disagree. They’re even further right.
What else could you expect from a country whose main tradition is seeing how many Cadbury’s Creme Eggs one can fit up one’s bum.
it’s probably because “Britain has had enough of experts”
Survey asks a bunch of morons, bigots and gammons of their opinions on things.
I’ve NEVER once in my entire 46yrs on this rock been asked for my opinion, probably because I’m well read, do proper research and don’t fall for bullshit lies and misinformation… I’m not the target audience for right wing fascist leaning extremists who claim patriotism is all about shouting the loudest whilst being a flag shagging wanker.
(Edited to correct a typo because I am so smrt) :)
That’s not how representative surveys work
Love the username.
They choose people either randomly off the street, or through consensual databases, which you might not have put yourself into.
Patriotism*
I mean you can’t write a whole paragraph about what a smart cookie you are and not proofread :p
I do appreciate “flag shagging wanker” tho since trump is literally that having fucked several flags without consent. And he’s nothing if not a wanker.
Are you suggesting that ‘smart’ people are incapable of making errors… even a typo? :)
No, just that I don’t. I actually invent several new forms of correct English every day.
I’m more partial to inventing new forms of English insults… sadly, I cannot claim credit for ‘flag shagging’
I do try to take credit for Trumplethinskin or Trumplthinskin as I’ve been using that one for about a decade now… can’t say if I was the first or not.
These are all solid options, although no matter how much he wishes it that dead straw on his head will never turn gold :(
Good response.
I actually think this is actually a big component of widespread distrust of science, and experts more generally. I remember during COVID how some people in my country were distrustful based on how the science seemed to be changing. Specifically, how initially, it was uncertain whether COVID was transmissible via air, or just through the droplets spread through coughing or sneezing. This is part of why the policy messaging around mask usage seemed to be a bit muddy — because initially we didn’t even know to what extent a regular cotton mask would help, or how important good airflow in indoor venues was.
Real science is messy and always evolving. Some of the most interesting scientific research happens in areas where our knowledge is tentative. What took me most by surprise was that some of the people expressing distrust in the science weren’t anti-vaxxers or others who have already made up their mind against science, but just regular people who were so used to trusting scientific knowledge as an abstract construct that they ended up distrusting the scientific process. I think about this a lot.
Far to many people don’t understand the difference between theory and scientific theory… One is a postulation on how people thing something works not based on provable and repeatable facts… whilst the latter is (based on current understand of those provable/repeatable facts).
But idiots and those trying to distort and undermine to support their own bias and agenda, will never call it a scientific theory or attempt to explain the difference… and claim any change in the ‘facts’ is proof that it’s fake… their inability to understand something further drives their ignorance.
It’s Darwinism in motion for the world to see… and it’s both saddening to see and hilarious to watch as people posted… ‘Not wearing masks, covid is a hoax it’s no worse than the flu’… and then over the coming weeks… see them posting… got covid, it’s hell, please pray for me… can’t breathe, in hospital, they refuse to give me invermectin (or whatever that drug was), doctors are trying to kill me… and then they die as a result of their own ignorance and hubris.
That madness also boosted the Sovereign Citizen Movement.
or how important good airflow in indoor venues was.
Oh we knew but acknowledging aerosol transmission would mean public expectation of mitigation which would be expensive architecturally and we were not ready with enough masks.
Fomite transmission (surfaces) was exaggerated because it made for reassuring theatre (eg public servants walking through trains with disinfecting cloths).
There is a great podcast on the miasma myth and then how when evidence emerged of aerosol transmission it took decades to accept (right through 2019). Covid finally, eventually, helped defeat the resistance within the science community.
Every industry has resistance to change. Science is self correcting at least even though it took a while regarding this.
“The greatest argument against democracy is a conversation with the average voter”
I suggest you read La Haine de la démocratie from Jacques Rancière. It shows that the people are actually not retarded, and the narrative pushed against democracy has no practical foundation
A person can be smart… but when they start to group together, the avg intelligence declines and mob mentality takes over.
Outside of literal mobs, is that true?
I get that groups of people make stupid decisions, especially committees. However, that seems more like “compromising to pointlessness” and redirecting energy away from useful action, than a “mob mentality”.
I think you’re describing ‘politicians’ more than people in general… diplomacy is when both sides are disappointed in the result. :)
That’s actually the opposite. A mob is smarter than any individual, including experts, as long as the people are allowed to communicate. Here are experiments showing that
Yes, when counting jelly beans in a jar or answering general knowledge questions because that has no ideology attached to it. But when people are desperate to belong they will follow the party line blindly lest they be ostracised.
The answers to OP’s questions are all ideologically loaded.
British
publicwrong about nearly everythingFTFY :D
This doesn’t seem right!
So: propaganda works as it “should”
Or they don’t really understand percentages.
Danielle Navarro recently wrote an amazing blog post about this phenomenon. It’s long and detailed so my favourite kind. It even shows the code.
And I realise now that other people are different from me. So the essence is: people may struggle with exact percentages but generally they can put things in order from more rare to more common, sometimes people really don’t know and they guess which gives a big difference when the true answer is very close to 0% or 100%, and finally… I don’t know, I forgot.
https://blog.djnavarro.net/posts/2025-09-21_probability-judgement/
Trump recently claimed he has lowered drug prices by 1500%. That’s mathematically impossible.
That’s also from the worst brain on the planet. I’m up for shitting on the British any day of the week but I think that comparison is going too far.
30% of USAmericans voted for that worst brain and many (most?) of them lap up such bs from him unquestionably.
I was backing up your claim…
they don’t really understand percentages.
They being the Anglosphere IMO (am definitely counting fellow Australians).
I’ve been arguing against these kinds of idiots for about 2 decades now.
Moron 1 says ‘Oh there’s been a 75% decrease in this problem since they introduced these new rules (IE, draconian, invasive and in violation of basic human rights that just happened to affect a group they dislike)’
Me: Facts and figures please
Moron 2: It’s 75% like they said
Me: No the numbers those percentages are based upon are the facts and figures… that’s just a statistic derived from them.
Moron 1: Go look it up yourself, I’m not doing your research for you.
Me: You made the claim, you are responsible for providing the evidence… But since you don’t want too… I did, and I can understand why you didn’t want to provide them.
Me: There was a decrease in deaths from 4 to 1 over the previous year… and those 4 deaths happened because of 1 traffic collision that claimed all 4 lives… technically a 75% reduction in deaths. But the number incidents that happened actually increased from 64 to 73.
Moron 1: (silence) Moron 2: (silence)
That’s a pretty accurate account of how these things go… claim a % refuse to provide the numbers… numbers actually show a difference that could almost be within a margin of error, or rely entirely on random outliers that massively skew the data and from a statistical point of view are so far from the avg that they are discounted.
It’s like when people claimed that femisism was causing a spike in divorce and pointed to a % rise in the 70’s… when the actual causes was women being able to achieve financial independence, because they didn’t need their husbands permission to get a mortgage, or a loan, or even a credit card… and were able to safely leave abusive marriages and become independent.
Same thing happened with a spike in left handed people being reported… after practices forcing lefties to use their right (by abusive means) was stopped.
In both cases… the avgs went along at the same rate, suddenly spiked and then carried on at a level rate again.
Same happening right now with autism diagnosis, sudden spike as it’s understood and diagnosed more easily… then levels even out once more.
You can apply this statistical logic to almost anything that the bigots claim to be ‘a sudden spike in (insert bigoted view here)’… attitudes change… suffers no longer hiding who they are and society as a whole being more open and tolerant of it. But the bigots always scream the loudest and they’re becoming emboldened to reveal their true selves more and more… If anyone needs to be back in the closest stewing over their own hatred… it’s those pieces of shit. But on the bright side, it makes them easier to spot and shun from civilised solciety.
I don’t disagree with your point at all, but I don’t think the divorce thing is separate from feminism. Women became financially independent because of feminism, and felt emboldened and worthwhile enough to leave abusive situations because of feminism.
It’s perhaps fairer to say that we can, at least partially, credit feminism with these things. It didn’t magically do it in the way that misogynists would like to think, but it’s definitely not unrelated.
This is such an interesting read. Thank you for posting it.
Thanks for the read!
To be honest, the public isn’t wrong. The leaders live in a fantasy land
The general public believe whatever racist shit the newspapers print about how we’re all poor because of some war-fleeing immigrant (who has No Recourse to Public Funds because of course boats are only legal ways to cross the channel if rich people own them), instead of the money grabbing corporations who give all the public subsidies to the shareholders before doubling our bills, or who treble their profits in three years blaming the war in Ukraine for their CEO’s need for a twelfth superyacht and a new helicopter.
If I saw a bunch of military age men sailing towards the coast of my country, aware that they are not locals, I’d label them as foreign invaders instead of refugees.
Refugees have to follow civilized procedures.
The public can be wrong about facts which is what the article is talking about.
Innit?
