No, it’s for people outside the relative bubble of safety you enjoy in the imperial core. Your country has been on the wrong side of every war it’s fought since WWII, resulting in the deaths of tens of millions of innocent civilians. You’ve had 80 years to get your shit together, you don’t get unlimited chances. Death to America.
The Bolsheviks relied on existing structures, functionaries and specialists because they HAD to. Nothing else was possible, they existed in the real world in the midst of a civil war, not some childish fantasy.
Trotsky aggressively recruited Tsarist military officers, many of which served without really aligning with Bolshevism.
And just a few other facts to add: world war, civil war, famine, coercion, mass violence, dependemce on inherited infrastructure and harsh repression. That’s what you want for the US? Because real people, the ones not playing make believe on the internet, do not.
I never denied that revolutionaries in the US shouldnt utilize already existing state apparatus, do you even understand what collapsing means?
Change requires sacrifices, but american left thinks americans need to babysat into revolution, america is already inflicting civil war, famine, coercion, mass violence and harsh repression on many countries.
hilarious to say this as your entire political position is to vote every 4 years and slowly see the people moving closer towards fascism and still saying “we will do it slowly!!”
I vote more often than that and if more people did, society would be more aligned with that they want. But most don’t, because stupid fucking morons like yourself convince them it doesn’t matter.
Are you aware that not enough people vote 3rd party for a 3rd party to be viable?
Are you aware that no 3rd party is putting in the effort to make people want to vote for them?
Are you aware that it’s possible to reform political parties, but not if we descend to deeply into actual fascism due to an actual fascist party being in control?
So wouldn’t it make sense, in that scenario, to vote for a party that isn’t actually fascist (despite what tankies believe) so that we can have a less oppressive situation that is more likely to foster the kind of change that could potentially make a 3rd party viable some day?
I mean, unless you want to become a historical figure by starting a violent revolution. For which I hope you have a post-war plan so things don’t collapse even more.
If you dont try to build a 3rd party, they will never become viable
You cant reform a liberal imperialist party like the democrats who have a long history of pursuing imperialist capital goals. Its like saying “we will reform nazi party to be sympathetic to jews”
If you dont try to build a 3rd party, they will never become viable
Have at it, champ. Maybe you should go talk to those 3rd parties and tell them to…do something?
I guess in the meantime your goal is to whine about the only party that can win that isn’t actually fascist. Yes, I know you think both are equally fascist. I don’t care and am not responding to a stupid sentiment like that.
My solution is to organize in an alternative party that is out of the bourgeoisie imperialist democratic party and put candidates from those parties in elections, however elections would be just one part, keep organizing and keep spreading class consciousness. If you are looking for immediate leftist gains through electoralism vote for a 3rd party that already has significant base like for example the green party.
“Tear it all down” is for weak minded imbeciles who get frustrated trying to confront issues and think of practical resolutions.
No, it’s for people outside the relative bubble of safety you enjoy in the imperial core. Your country has been on the wrong side of every war it’s fought since WWII, resulting in the deaths of tens of millions of innocent civilians. You’ve had 80 years to get your shit together, you don’t get unlimited chances. Death to America.
I find “tear it all down” people hilarious. Like… yea, ok, we’ll tear it all down. And who’s gonna rebuild after? You and your keyboard?
revolutionaries will do it, just like the bolsheviks did.
The Bolsheviks relied on existing structures, functionaries and specialists because they HAD to. Nothing else was possible, they existed in the real world in the midst of a civil war, not some childish fantasy.
Trotsky aggressively recruited Tsarist military officers, many of which served without really aligning with Bolshevism.
And just a few other facts to add: world war, civil war, famine, coercion, mass violence, dependemce on inherited infrastructure and harsh repression. That’s what you want for the US? Because real people, the ones not playing make believe on the internet, do not.
I never denied that revolutionaries in the US shouldnt utilize already existing state apparatus, do you even understand what collapsing means?
Change requires sacrifices, but american left thinks americans need to babysat into revolution, america is already inflicting civil war, famine, coercion, mass violence and harsh repression on many countries.
you should study history instead of bullshit. only thing you got right in your profile is wannabe
I am more aware about history than avg american lib whose ideology is shaped by pedophile billionaire owned media.
yes, i am sure you are aware history exists. you need to actually learn what happened though.
ironical, youre literally an american
see how little it takes to make you admit you’re a nationalist?
I hate Nazi Germany, I guess I’m a nationalist
do you even know what nationalism means
hilarious to say this as your entire political position is to vote every 4 years and slowly see the people moving closer towards fascism and still saying “we will do it slowly!!”
I vote more often than that and if more people did, society would be more aligned with that they want. But most don’t, because stupid fucking morons like yourself convince them it doesn’t matter.
Voting does matter
Voting democrats however dont
Are you aware that not enough people vote 3rd party for a 3rd party to be viable?
Are you aware that no 3rd party is putting in the effort to make people want to vote for them?
Are you aware that it’s possible to reform political parties, but not if we descend to deeply into actual fascism due to an actual fascist party being in control?
So wouldn’t it make sense, in that scenario, to vote for a party that isn’t actually fascist (despite what tankies believe) so that we can have a less oppressive situation that is more likely to foster the kind of change that could potentially make a 3rd party viable some day?
I mean, unless you want to become a historical figure by starting a violent revolution. For which I hope you have a post-war plan so things don’t collapse even more.
If you dont try to build a 3rd party, they will never become viable
You cant reform a liberal imperialist party like the democrats who have a long history of pursuing imperialist capital goals. Its like saying “we will reform nazi party to be sympathetic to jews”
Have at it, champ. Maybe you should go talk to those 3rd parties and tell them to…do something?
I guess in the meantime your goal is to whine about the only party that can win that isn’t actually fascist. Yes, I know you think both are equally fascist. I don’t care and am not responding to a stupid sentiment like that.
Even you know both parties are:
The only thing they differ is on the culture war. There is not much difference if you really look at it
I mean you guys call names to people who vote and organize for those parties, proves they are doing stuff for sure.
Ok. I’ve read enough of your comments.
What’s your solution to our general problem and what are you personally doing about it?
I am not an american to do anything about it
My solution is to organize in an alternative party that is out of the bourgeoisie imperialist democratic party and put candidates from those parties in elections, however elections would be just one part, keep organizing and keep spreading class consciousness. If you are looking for immediate leftist gains through electoralism vote for a 3rd party that already has significant base like for example the green party.