• Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de
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    Social Democracy is not the same as democratic socialism. (E.g. germany understands itself as a social democracy but don’t do socialism nor democratic socialism)

    The nazi murdered democratic socialists though.

    Could you define fascism and socialism, please? For the sake of the argument, as you seem confused over social democracy and democratic socialism.

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      Why not give your definitions? Why not define liberalism since it’s the topic at hand?

      This kind of definitionalism obscures the obvious reality that liberals and nazis collaborated for a long time. Perhaps always.

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        Nope.

        Democratic socialism is socialism. So the idea that workers should own the mean of production. But it is Democratic. So the government should be Democratic.

        Social democracy is capitalism. But that it should be Democratic and soften the weakness of capitalism by providing social programs.

        You see, 1 is capitalism, the other is socialism.

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          workers owning means of production is inherently democratic, you dont need an additional democratic label for that.

          Both of them are capitalism

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            Socialism is not the same as democratic.

            Socialism describe how Property right should work.

            Democratic describe how the government works.

            Both are independent Ideologies.

            Socialism is not capitalism and to claim that is ridiculous.

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              any examples of what is a democratic socialism and what is a social democracy in real life

              It would be easier to draw distinction

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                The distinction is between socialism and capitalism.

                There are no democratic socialist countries.

                Germany is a social democracy.

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                  There are no democratic socialist countries.

                  are there any that has ever existed?

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                    Well, tankies might disagree with me on some of this.

                    Democratic socialism got popular under socialist that opposed the Soviet Union.

                    China would like to be seen as democratic and would like to be socialistic but they are effectively a one party system (not very democratic) and they have special economic zones and simplified: the state owns the meaning of production and the worker only by proxy. China admit that they aren’t socialist yet but that they are working towards it. So currently not socialist, and the state owned means of production is in conflict with democratic socialism (or at least, that is my opinion and given that it became popular in opposition to the Soviet Union, I think I have a good case for that)

                    The whole state owned means of production issue and/or 1 party system, tend to be the reasons why no country was considered a democratic socialist country to my knowledge.