Funny how he doesn’t hesitate here, but when Congress was literally in danger of being fucking lynched on Jan 6, he didn’t do shit.
Well that’d a terrble idea that will result in many deaths just like all the other times
There is a good reason not to follow unconstitutional orders.
Well, more than a good reason, it’s in the UCMJ and drilled into you in basic.
Yeah, this is fucking depressing. Anyone wanna fight about Linux distros?
This is actually insane. Bringing tanks to a knife fight… except it’s not even a knife fight it’s a thumb war. This is going to cause country wide rioting and Trump’s only recourse will be to further up the anti. I feel worried for you guys.
Ante*
This is all predictable. By next summer, besides more immigration crimes, we’ll have food and product shortages, massive tariff-driven inflation, an economy roiling over his constant market manipulation, Luigi’s trial, arrests of prominent politicians and resistors, etc. There will be protests against all of these issues and more, and he will use those protests to stir up trouble and create violence.
By next summer it will get really ugly, and he’ll declare Martial Law, and suspend the Midterm election, so he can preserve his Congressional majorities.
Without Skum to rig the election, he will have no choice but to go with the Martial Law option.
next summer
You are more optimistic than I
I thought the President controlled the US Military but State Guards were authorized by the Gov? Surely Trump isn’t overstepping gave a Newsome because he thinks it gave him. Newsome is part of the problem, right?
The president can mobilize the national guard of a state within that state, so what Trump doing is legal for all that matters.
A lot of National Guard armories are stocked mostly with federal assets too. It’s supposed to be a two way agreement between the state and the federal government. But with all the loopholes being poked into the Posse Comitatus Act it’s quickly turning into a one way deal not in favor of the states.
Newsom is a neoliberal, but the lesser evil at the very least.
There’s plenty of powder in the field. Just needs the spark
They’ve been salivating for an opportunity like this. I bet they thought it would have happened already
Hope they like bullets to the head.
Whatever side of this issue you fall on, you should at least know that, tactics-wise, joining with the LAPD to do raids in Eastside LA is not going to work how you think it will. There’s movies, albums, books, historic moments in living memory, etc. that warn about that. Start in Sacramento or wherever. Don’t expect East LA to care about your “authority.”
The powerful and their goons seem to have forgotten that sure they can roll up anywhere with an army and overpower protesters, but that’s not going to solve this. It’s just going to start a true resistance.
There have been few times in history where resistance forces have fought state forces on an open battlefield.
As seen historically, a typical resistance force will harrass the enemy. Bomb their buildings, stockpiles, and infrastructure. Wait until the state goons are alone, at their homes, at the bar, in a grocery store and then that’s when they kill them.
All sending the national gaurd in to kill protesters will result in is a true resitance forming.
The powerful have forgotten what it was like to be afraid to leave their fortresses
One word - drones.
Agreed. If protestor blood is spilled, it will foment a resistance that will build.
I hope a true resistance is born of this. We need to band together and rise up!
I don’t know history well…do tell or link some reads?
This has been going on so long that there’s an 80’s Cheech and Chong parody song about it.
The 1992 riots started in South Central, which is historically African American. East L.A. is sort of the hub of Hispanic “immigrants.” (immigrants in quotes there because America swiped that land after the Mexican-American war; lots of Hispanic Americans didn’t cross the border but had the border cross them).
I don’t live there. I’m just an enthusiastic idiot. I love Los Angeles. So, I can’t do its history justice. Hopefully, someone else can. I have friends there and I go there a fair bit but it’s not my hometown so I don’t want to misrepresent L.A. (I live in New Orleans so L.A. and LA—the postal code for Louisiana—get mixed up a lot. So, I use L.A. for the city. No one else does.)
It’s just Cheech on the song …the two had split up by that point and Tommy Chong refused to have any part of it.
The Irish resistance is the closest analogue to what that kind of armed resistance would look like.
East LA. The best Pawnshops in America!
“The Trump Administration has a zero tolerance policy for criminal behavior …”
Dude that’s your entire administration. Have some self-awareness, you orange, sagging, coffin dodging oxygen thief.
It’s not just the red administration, all the government is rigged and most politicians are criminals.
Who, Trump the thirty-two times felon?
Don’t forget rapist. Probably liked them young, like his buddy Epstein.
allegedly he asked epstein for a 13 year old that looked like his daughter.
And heres a lives of the rich and famous type show where ivanka shows us her childhood bedroom. Watch her face after she shows her bed, right near the end. She looks like she’s about to fall apart.
Never met the guy. We’re talking the 34 felony convicted man.
Oh, right, 34 felonies. So far.
34 convicted felonies so far
It has begun. Trump unleashing the army against the population fighting against his gestapo.
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said in a post on X that the Defense Department is “mobilizing the National Guard IMMEDIATELY to support federal law enforcement in Los Angeles. And, if violence continues, active duty Marines at Camp Pendleton will also be mobilized — they are on high alert.” ~ABC News
They are already threatening to send in Marines…
They’ve been jerking themselves off to deploying the military against California for decades. This is their fantasy come true and they can hardly wait.
Makes me think of this song.
Der da dum der da dum
Does that source explain how they’ll circumvent Posse Comitatus?
Nope, but using active military is no different than federalized National Guard. Both are title 10 troops and the use of either is the same under under Posse Comitatus. This is already Martial Law.
I am very fearful that many protesters will be murdered in the coming days.
And things will deteriorate quickly
I expect them to switch to live ammo within the month
I think days, weeks if we’re lucky
I hope it is weeks. I am not ready for conflict, I only had two lessons regarding firearms. I will need at least a month to sometimes hit targets at 25 meters, and to find other likeminded people.
Maybe a bit of a hot take, but I think Trump is also doing this at least partly to distract from his spat with Musk’s Epstein implications. Not to mention Trump’s upcoming parade. Also, keep in mind that 2,000 Nat’l guard troops is surprisingly low, especially for an area the size of L.A. In '92 they brought in almost 10,000.
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous about this, too, but personally I believe people need to keep their cool, here. I’m seeing a lot of doom spiraling and panicking all over the place online and we need to be mindful of how this affects us mentally and emotionally.
We’re in the long game.
This is basically my take as well, Californian cities are fucking massive and 2,000 people in LA especially is barely a drop in the bucket. Also these are National guardsmen who may very well be pissed they are being sent to stand around outside in LA during the summer, the concrete and blacktop does not let go of heat easily.
Edit: Bucket not bugget, my auto correct is on bath salts.
Also, a number of them will agree with protesters.
Yeah, that’s why they’re pointing guns at them. They’re really sorry though, so it’s okay.
Fuck you. I was one of those soldiers and I’d like to think that some of the hundreds of raped and murdered university of Baghdad students would like a word with you. The amount of young women’s bodies we dredged out of Z lake…
I get it. They/we whatever, aren’t the good guys as long as they’re taking orders from bad guys, but there are people who would be teetering on the edge, who want to do the right thing. Maybe not enough to cancel itself out, but certainly enough to hinder itself enough to get a jump on things to make things truly equal.
Ok?
The US Military didn’t decide to invade Iraq because they wanted to do good deeds, but that doesn’t mean you didn’t also aid some people along the way. The US Forces invaded over lies and caused mass death and destruction in exchange for political power and money. It wasn’t a war for a good cause, and lead to increased extremism in the Middle East.
Back to the original topic: I generally agree, but am only pessimistic about their numbers and ability to actually resist.
You’re not wrong. I’m not saying it was a justifiable conflict by any means. But many of us were given orders to go to a place in support of something we didn’t agree with. The difference between that and firing on us civilians is huge. From my personal experience, I say you have far more to worry about from police/troopers than any military force.
OK, but put simply, police forces exist to enforce laws, military forces exist to kill enemies. This is why there are laws to prevent military forces from being deployed domestically. Their jobs are very different, and neither is truly qualified to do the job of the other.
Its always important to differentiate between the individual policeman and the institution of the police, when criticising. It is absolutely necessary that people step up for the safety of everyone and protect them (which is what the police is supposed to do/does). The problem is, that since the police has the monopoly to excerpt violence and this monopoly is controlled by the state it is a tool for those in power to preserve their power and demolish resistance.
This is alsobwhy I dont really like slogans like ACAB, since it sets the policeman who probably has very good intentions and does great work on the same level of “ceiticising” something" than the flaws that police sadly has.
The amount of young women’s bodies we dredged out of Z lake…
K. Literally just, k. That doesn’t justify anything and you know that, so why bring it up?
Well the guys that were doing it aren’t exactly doing it anymore. The point was that although the reasons for going there were bullshit, some good was done. I personally delivered dozens of loads of school supplies to schools built by the army. These weren’t replacements for bombed schools, they were new ones in rural areas where schools didn’t exist.
I know. I know. That’s no excuse for any of what happened, obviously. I’m just saying not everyone that raises their arm for the oath is a monster, and many join with good intent. Cops on the other hand…
And there’s another factor, out of any militarized element in the US the national guard have the potential to be the least threatening. They were affected by the post Vietnam reforms just like the rest of the branches, especially after Kent state. Fact of the matter is the guardsmen are far more likely to take issue with ICE and the police in general, reminder that quite a few came forward after the BLM protests saying they wanted to defend the protestors from the police.
Mind you that doesn’t eliminate risks involved but it does mean that there is far far more potential for this to utterly backfire in Trump’s face.
reminder that quite a few came forward after the BLM protests saying they wanted to defend the protestors from the police.
And did they? No.
They are cowards who do what they’re told. After this is over, they will do the same. Disobeying or having remorse now would just be all too inconvenient… Saying “sorry, I actually didn’t want to be Gestapo, but did it anyways” is not a valid defense.
The foundation of action is started with but a single brick. The National Guard weren’t rolled out till later on into the BLM protests after they had in many ways started to wind down and stabilize. The current Guardsmen are being deployed at the start, after already being fucked over by Trump via VA cuts and other more general bullshit.
Call me general wait and see but it’s too early to make any calls with too many factors, this could turn into a massacre, a revolution, or the Guardsmen could get pissed off and butcher ICE. It’s still too early and chaotic to make calls. Not like I’m any help beyond trying to cool nerves, too volatile to protest and I am reliant on my MAGA grandmother. Pisses me the fuck off that I have to live through this bullshit.
Not like I’m any help beyond trying to cool nerves, too volatile to protest and I am reliant on my MAGA grandmother.
I mean she’s not gonna disown you… right?
No its not to distract from Musk. He is lowballing deployment so if/when it doesnt work and he deploys the actual Army or Marines it will seem “reasonable”. He is 100% looking for a reason to fuck California hard and will get it.
You mean the Man who Deployed Secret Police in his FIRST TERM is Deploying the National Guard in his SECOND TERM? I did NAZI This coming!
Distraction or not, Trump is a coward who thinks deploying soldiers at a protest will make him look tough. It doesn’t. It makes him look scared and pathetic.
It’s because he is. Him and most of his cronies are at a point where if they do not maintain power until they die, they may face extreme consequences.
The good thing is I guess they know that. The bad thing is, when it’s that or maintain power, what lengths will they go to?
Of all the things you could rightly criticize as cowardly actions, brazenly deploying a military force against a civilian population, is not among them.
It’s starting!!! The downfall of democracy, we had a good run!
The downfall of democracy is the existence of the US. The downfall of the US is the birth of democracy elsewhere.
we had a good run!
I’d rank it as ‘just OK’ compared to how the rest of the western developed world is doing and how many resources and advantages we had from the start. We can do much better next time. I think in the upcoming defederation we are not only going to let the south secede, we will insist on it. Godspeed to texas, florida, and the south.
Given the fact that the US was the first modern democracy, was born from a revolution, and was hobbled by the fucking South from day one is say it did pretty damned good. Seriously it could’ve failed as early as the whiskey rebellion but it didn’t.
Oh, that happened the instant the SCOTUS declared the president above the law and Biden didn’t say “fuck you, idiots”, fire all the justices who ruled in favor of that decision at gunpoint, appoint all new justices in their place, and then declare that ruling void by fiat. If you’re about to say “the president can’t do that”, the SCOTUS declared the president above the law, he actually can.
It was really hard to watch. SCOTUS created this monster executive with unlimited and almost unchecked powers, Biden declared that Trump was a danger to democracy itself, and then… crickets. It was heart-breaking that he didn’t even try to curb the limits of power of the Presidency by doing something SCOTUS was going to rule against, handing the next administration everything.
Or its revival. This might become the spark that turns these protests into a revolution.
A new Boston massacre may be in our future
I honestly hope this is the case, that would clearly be the best possibly outcome.
Revolution can also be slow, especially when it comes to tech oligarchs helping to enable to current administration, they can easily help obfuscate the narrative.
Did weeeeeeeee? lol
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Compared of what is to come yes! But I get how you feel, things have been in decline for a long time but this is definitely going to be the darkest chapter yet.
