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“You are simultaneously healthy and dying of cancer. We just need only observe you when you’re healthy.”
The supposed science behind homeopathy was already known, though. It was never a mystery.
It basically worked around the pseudoscientific principle that water remembered what used to be in it, so if you diluted out water concentrated with the thing you had, it would somehow “remember” what was in it, and when taken, would draw it from the body through some principle of magnetism.
It’s not like it magically somehow worked, and everyone was in amazement or anything quite like that. The only real reasons it did anything at all was that its contemporary treatments were things like bloodletting, which were worse for most things than not doing anything at all, or as a result of placebo.
Not only that, but that the compound you dilute, must be something that causes the symptoms you pretend to aliviate.
I highly recommend everyone to read up on Feynman, he is absolutely one of the genius that you can read about for modern times (well probably Hawking too). He gave me the urge to understand calculus and even if I never got there (I will probably try till I die because I wish I understood the world in a similar way), I so wish I could understand it 1/10 of he did. Also the biographies and other stories show how much he loves what he did, if we only could have many more with such interest in science. Mean maybe we do I don’t read science journals but his drive I think shows a lot.
Just casually dropping this
But be warned about othet people writing on “his behalf” though: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TwKpj2ISQAc&t=5438s
Anyone who wins a Nobel in physics by watching people in a cafeteria is worth llistneing to.
There are some interviews in YT with him. I like the one where he tells the interviewer if he wants to stump a physicists ask them how ice skates work.
Yeah know over the years I have gone from let the idiots be idiots when it comes to folks who believe pseudoscience, but I am now of the general opinion that it should be perfectly acceptable to throw them in front of a train.
Yeah know over the years I have gone from let the idiots be idiots
The problem is they take over the world, they end up in the positions of power etc. How to contain that, short of derision I’m not sure and even derision often doesnt work, some wear their stupidity as a badge of achievement!
It’s only because of their stupidity that they’re able to be so sure of themselves.” - Franz Kafka
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. - Bertrand Russell
Absolutely also doesn’t help that they can now communicate over the internet, which means every person who has the potential to be the village idiot almost inevitably becomes one.
To add to your point, it used to be that the village idiot was just that, known for it, and shamed or shunned. Now that they can connect to other village idiots, they can find a community of like minded idiots that reinforces their beliefs.
They should be fine anyhow if homeopathy really works. They just need to take a little train material, serially dilute it to 10⁻²⁰ strength, then take it with sugar pills. Train immunity!
Are you telling me that I should have diluted some bullet material, instead of trying to start by shooting myself with a small caliber and work up my immunity from that? All this work, wasted!
‘Vibe-healing.’
We await AI homeopathy healers.
I’m pretty sure I already saw an article where a guy replaced his table salt with some other form of sodium because chat gpt suggested it. He ended up giving himself a disease that’s been mostly eradicated in the modern day.
A poisoning that’s rarely seen anymore but used to be more common. The heaps of data on bromism over the decades must not have made it into the training data.
Probably made it into the training data, but he didn’t ask the right prompt to make it spit out the info.
ChatGPT isn’t very good at grasping intent or considering consequences before you ask about specific things. It’s still more A than I lol
It’s like that “charge your iphone in the microwave” image that went around for a while but writ large and in language tailored to be more convincing.
Yup, he was eating sodium bromide instead of sodium chloride. Any significant amount of bromide is not good for ya.
The irony is that for a good amount of less-serious health issues the placebo will work.
“You could totally use quantum crystals to heal your cancer, would you like me to get a list of effective crystals?”
Are you mad, what if they reverse their polarity in the vicinity of 5G signals??
Spouse comes from a family believing in this shit. They have a go to doctor for regular health issues (that one seems to be okay) and one for the bad issues (that’s the fraud).
I’m sick for > 5 years now so I’m at the stage where I try everything if it doesn’t seem to kill me so about 3 years ago I went to see him.
It was wild (quantum physics are easy to use and he heals his grandchildren in Africa regularly, pendulums and quartz stones were used, he shoved me around a few times, …) and in the end he explained that I’m suffering from worms that can’t be detected with school medicine tests. His treatment was as follows:
- No alcohol and caffeine for two weeks so he can remotely undo my corona vaccine
- Taking a few drops of his medicine daily so he can remotely attack the worms through this
The whole session was expensive as fuck and I had some very long talks with my spouse about this afterwards. He stopped giving money to this guy now, after the fraud doctor started to call him and say he saw that my spouse is becoming sick (fraud dr has a drop of spouse’s blood and claims it changes when spouse becomes sick) and that he needs to start his remote therapy…
If you can speak German or are willing to translate: behold fraud dr website
I saw the term “bio resonance” and immediately knew that this ostensible medical practitioner couldn’t get in touch with reality if they used a special reality-seeking pole constructed from a thousand dousing rods.
I used to work adjacent to the medical field, close enough to have to deal with a certain kind of medical practitioner a lot. For some reason, that part of medicine attracts people who believe in the supernatural so I’m familiar with bullshit from anthroposophy to quantum healing.
That shit gets real wild real fast. Bio resonance is already terrible (it’s basically the same kind of bullshit Scientology’s “E-meters” pretend to do but now as a “therapeutic” device with thirty buttons). But the worst must be quantum healing.
In quantum healing, actually seeing the patient in person is not necessary. Neither is knowing a lot about the patient. In fact, the less the practitioner knows, the better. Just give them a picture and a really vague description of the symptoms and the person (or pet; it “works” for those, too), and the practitioner will do something at some point in the future that will have some positive effect on either the person or the universe as a whole, even if it’s not obvious. Source: Trust me, bro.
And they charge real money for that shit. Real medical practitioners who went to real university and have a real degree in human medicine.
Absolutely incredible.
What’s even wilder is, that at some point I had the “pleasure” to meet someone who was a self proclaimed “expert on radioactivity”. This man walked around with a stick waving it around and then measuring radioactivity in percent. He then proceeded to bury a bowl in the field to trap all sorts of radiation in there and cleanse all radioactivity from the nearby area in it. It was god damn awful to see my parents paying actual money for this man.
The no alcohol and caffeine could actually help. It’s worth a shot at least if you still have ongoing issues. Not that this hack deduced anything accurately, but that probably does help a lot of people, and then he gets to take credit for it. It’s cheaper than free to try, though you’ll probably have some headaches for a few days if you have a bad caffeine dependence, like almost all of our society has.
Generally if you’re talking to someone with a chronic illness, and you think you have an idea of something that might help: A, it won’t, and 2, they’ve already tried it or C, they physically can’t.
I was overweight my whole life. Never tried fasting, dieting, or exercise. Suddenly did at the age of 24 and would you look at that? Constantly doctors telling me, even my diabetes was confused which one it should be, then the life of my love appeared before me.
It’s better to extend a hand of help in kindness, and possibly corrected, than it is to do nothing at all.
Assumptivity only helps those who have been helped.
My guy, being fat is not the same as having a hard to pin down chronic illness.
I say this as a guy who does not remember a day where I wasn’t concerned about my weight, who only recently managed to drop from obese to over weight. You can fix being fat. You can fix fat with diet and exercise. You can’t fix “maybe lupus? Maybe MCTD? I dunno it’s probably autoimmune? We’re going to need to order more tests” with diet, exercise, magic crystals, or whatever other random bullshit people like to suggest.
My point exactly, something I could control easily and not a single action.
Diet and exercise normally isnt done to fix issues but to dilute them. You can only ever do so much. People cannot know all, next best they offer a gentle suggestion and just know they wish you longer health.
Then again diabetes and the complications thereof do not seem like chronic conditions to you.
Sure, it probably won’t work, but it can literally do nothing but help. Even if it doesn’t help with the specific issue they’re talking about, maybe the figure out it helps with something else. Getting off harmful drugs often has beneficial effects. (I’m a caffeine and alcohol user too. This isn’t me looking down on anyone.)
Seriously, just, no.
Because not only all of that other stuff, but you’re also extremely unlikely to be the first person to suggest it.
A buddy of mine is constantly being told she just needs to go out and exercise a little more, or take this supplement or that supplement, or see a fucking chiropractor. She has been for as long as I’ve known her. She doesn’t remember the last time she heard something unique. Though the number times she’s been told to just get a spinal adjustment for an autoimmune disease is frightening.
Avoid the headaches by titrating off the caffeine.
I thought my dad was crazy because he thought rubbing his fingernails together would regrow his hair (he’s bald like Mr. Clean).
This is the truly wacky shit right here though.
Desperate people are so willing to believe… I guess that goes for some bald people too :/
I know a few people who got their hair transplanted to their heads and are very happy with it. JIC your father gets tired of rubbing his nails someday.
wow and in Germany too. You would think a good level of nation-wide education would solve such problems. seems like not.
“Best” part of this is that our public health insurance pays out for this nonsense. Some providers allow you to opt out but I don’t think the majority of Germans bother.
German loves homeopathy actually
Homeopathy was created in Germany: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Hahnemann
“Around the start of the nineteenth century, Hahnemann developed a theory, propounded in his 1803 essay On the Effects of Coffee from Original Observations, that many diseases are caused by coffee.”
Lol seems to me the guy produced just a bunch of random bullshit to see if any of it sticks. Although to be fair medicine around 1800s was probably mostly bullshit.
The Nazis and (racial) pseudo science. Name a more iconic duo.
But even before that, health at least to a certain degree, has become a product. This is the breeding ground for these kind of people.
It’s a problem here. Studied apothecaries are peddling that bullshit as medicine. Most health insurances even pay for that shit.
Wow, this doctor is definitely not suffering from low self esteem. What a hack. Hey, hope you will get better soon!
This reads like a plot for those whacky cartoon in the 90s.
https://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
Still the best explanation of homeopathy out there on the internet.
I hate it how people are willing to trust any shady person in the name of alternative medicine. Sure, regular medicine has it’s flaws, but the solution is better research, not alt medicine peddled by the shadiest people imaginable.
They act as if the alternative practitioners are immune from corruption.
“But this supplement was just researched and developed by an exceptionally clever homeschooling mom who wanted to take on big pharma!”
Just like anything else, there are shady doctors, nurses, etc. and there are shady alternative medicine people. The only reason pharma aren’t using herbs and such is because they can’t patent them. It’s easier to make them consistent as well. I could give you a shit ton of articles on both sides of this discussion.
The MD’s aren’t even being trained to help people anymore. They’re being trained to survive med school and their student loans. Once they get experience, they’re trained how to deal with insurance companies.
Our healthcare is in a world of hurt so start looking inward first and fix that.
Big pharma absolutely can patent drugs extracted from herbs. The reason you don’t see lots of them is that lots of them didn’t work very well and the ones that did were all isolated and turned into medicine decades ago, so the patents have expired, and they’re generally sold under medicine-sounding names rather than the names of the plant them came from. E.g. Aspirin was originally made from modified willow extract, and was discovered because willow was a known natural remedy and so was a good candidate for further investigation. Also, the requirement that a newly discovered drug needs to be proven to be effective to be licensed is a big hurdle lots of natural remedies don’t manage to clear.
Even despite that, though, big pharma does sell natural remedies. The difference is that they don’t claim they’re medicine. If they only claim they’re a food supplement or something else that’s only medicine-adjacent, there’s no requirement to prove efficacy.
I don’t claim to know everything, but the way you form these sentences is suspect.
drugs extracted from herbs
modified willow extract
Also, this
Our healthcare is in a world of hurt so start looking inward first and fix that.
Willow bark contains salicin. Things made from willow bark have been used for a very long time as herbal remedies. In the early 1800s, people figured out how to isolate it and also break it down and oxidise it to make salicylic acid. They tried using what they’d extracted as medicine as they knew it had an effect on the body, and that was the height of the bar back then. It generally did much more harm than good, but eventually some things were discovered that it genuinely helped treat. In the late 1800s, people had figured out that if you tried subjecting known bioactive compounds to chemical reactions, sometimes you ended up with a new bioactive compound - that was how diamorphine (heroin) was first synthesised from morphine, for example. Someone tried an esterification reaction with salicylic acid, and got acetylsalicylic acid, and eventually Bayer managed to purify and manufacture it at scale and start selling it as Aspirin once they’d fed it to people and determined it worked as a painkiller.
It’s a pretty standard 1800s try extracting compounds from herbal remedies, then kill some people with them, then apply basic chemical reactions to create novel compounds, then get lucky and produce a real medicine story. It doesn’t happen anymore because we’ve run out of things to try and you can’t just create new compounds and feed them to people and see what happens anymore - you’ve got to demonstrate that there’s a plausible mode of action against a specific condition before starting human trials.
Careful, this might get you sued in Germany.
What?
Germany has an incredibly high prevalence of homeopathy being prescribed by doctors. A german friend told me people have been sued for publicly stating homeopathy doesnt work- I asked them to send me their source, I’ll post it when they do!
Not homeopathy but I once saw a video where someone tried to use quantum physics to justify manifesting. Grifters gonna grift.
Meanwhile none of these people know what a probability field is, much less what the fuck makes a baryon anti-green.
And that it’s just a theory, trying to fit what we observe, just like fire, wind, earth, water and the ether back in the day, but arguably working better.
Found RFK Jr’s account.
as you can see, the patient is currently existing in a quantum state that is neither living nor dead
People pushing homeopathy should be forced to undergo mandatory reeducation.
Shit like this is what gulags were invented for.
hehe just joking though, Hexbears aren’t fascists we swear
Because I am for stamping out deadly misinformation I am a fascist?
Have fun with your horse paste weirdo.
pseudoscience basically, its more harmful to people than not.
Hugh Everett understood quantum mechanics.
yeah yeah I’m sure quantum mechanics makes us all immortal if that makes you feel better 🤣
I don’t want everyone to be immortal. I want to be the only immortal and watch you all perish.
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Also, maybe we should collectively stop invoking Feynman’s name? I’ve heard he wasn’t exactly a fine man
Still a scientist that can’t and shouldn’t be erased from history.
Most of the criticism comes from a chapter in “Surely You’re Joking, Mr. Feynman!” where he does some things close to what we now call PUA shit. In other words, picking up women at a bar by acting like an asshole.
Feynman also called it off after a test because he didn’t want to treat women that way.
quantum entanglement implies no such thing, stop reading garbage.
also what’s cancelling a man who died in the 80s going to accomplish for literally anyone? he was a historic scientist who made important contributions to his field. absolutely tell the truth about the kind of person the man was but “shut up about feynman bc feynman bad” is a fucking brain dead take.
Oh yeah he was definitely an abusive piece of shit and there are far better people to cite.
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