I would never have gone in a submarine called the Tragic anything.
In this context Tragic was a title earned for their efforts. It’s like King Charles knighted the Titan, but since it was neither a Sir or Dame, it joined Titanic with the pronoun Tragic
Scott Manley has a one hour video going over all of this, including the ridiculous redaction of
James Cameronproviding expert testimony by first saying he directed The AbyssCould someone please post the pics? The website claims that I could click “see more” to view them, but nothing happens when I do that.
Spared no expense…
Kinda seems like it was the right call if it survived an implosion
Yeah, but 512 GB? That’s gotta be overwriting some data. The amount of data generated by sensors is massive.
What sensors do you think this was recording data from?
Depth, pressure, location, etc.
It was in a camera.
And what do you think that polling rate was to fill up a 512 GB SD card? It’s all speculation but this isn’t a supper collider, we shouldn’t need sub second polling of a vehicle that can only move 5.6 km/h.
And even if you sampled at 10 sps, and did 50 sensors at 10b, you would still only be looking 5000bps or 5.8x10-7 GBps, meaning that it would take roughly 26 years to fill up a 512GB SD card.
While I don’t know for how long the sub had been submerged, I doubt it was close to a quarter of a century. If that was the case, I believe that we would have been talking about that as well. Even if it was 500 sensors, at 100sps at 12b we’d be looking at 79days.
IMHO there’s only a few things a 512GB SD card would be used for. And I hope it was music, because I don’t think we should watch the final moments of these people’s lives.
Dude the article is right there
It’s not going to have location data. GPS doesn’t work under even very shallow water.
Nobody said GPS (except for you). Location data does not mean GPS.
Ok, so tell me how you are going to get a location fix underwater, in the dark, with no landmarks to orient yourself, in constantly shifting currents?
Even the Navy’s most advanced nuclear submarines have to surface to get their location. This thing was a carbon fiber tube with an Xbox controller and an idiot designer.
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“Somewhat disappointingly, the images and videos shared in the report were taken in the vicinity of the ROV shop at the Marine Institute”
There, saved you a long read
“and you can buy that exact SD card model for the low, low price of $62.99 on Amazon RIGHT. NOW!!!”
That might not be the weirdest, most awkward product placement I ever saw, but close.
EDIT : for those not seeing it, yeah, the article actually mentions that price and has a direct link to Amazon.
tbf, finding your product still working after the implosion is already amazing publicity
The SD card was from inside a titanium cased underwater camera that was mounted outside the hull. It wasn’t actually in the implosion, it just survived the shockwave (which was probably 1000s of Gs, so still impressive)
I will never buy another Sandisk product. They are as unreliable as cheap microcenter flash drives now. I’ve been burned too many times, and couple of those time were literal burns too!
funny how you downplay it all the way till the end, and anything surviving 1000s of Gs is incredibly impressive.
Well, it’s an order of magnitude less force than the “server room” experienced, considering the whole rack of computers was compressed into a solid mass.
SanDisk SD cards are actually rated for up to 500Gs, and with how light the SD card is, it can survive these indirect impacts more easily. “1000s of Gs” is just a completely random estimate considering how some of the other heavier internal camera parts were damaged (a circuit board connector sheared off).
It originally was an SSD drive
These compression methods are getting out of hand
Especially considering this was losless - strictly speaking only the compression of the SSD was… 😈
Certainly interesting to have an algorithm that is extremely lossy (near totally) for the majority of inputs but lossless for some weird edge cases.
Tragic? What was tragic about it? It were just some insanely rich doing something insanely stupid: dive in an untested home made tube built from rejected discarded build materials to dive to insane depths to disrupt a protected monument of something which killed thousands.
There was also a famous ocean explorer on board they were using as a prop for their company. He’d done great work exploring shipwrecks previously and not a billionaire
And despite his knowledge and experience, chose to join the haphazard mission in pursuit of something he apparently valued more than the risks. So it sounds like he made a very clear choice and was dealt the expected hand from said choice.
The kid that was killed didn’t want to be there. He was terrified. He only went because rich daddy insisted & paid for him to come along. That’s tragic.
Still a super rich kid who got everything he ever wanted, except for this instance.
TIL it’s okay for kids to die if they’re privileged.
I think we are just about there, so yes?
I never said that. I’m just annoyed that when a rich person dies, it’s world news and “a tragedy” while when a poor kid or a non-white kid dies no one gives a shit. A school shooting and too man doors are being blamed and it is written off as “collateral damage” to preserve the second amendment but when a rich guy is killed the murderer is being labeled a terrorist and the death penalty is being sought. Steal 3 times something small from the store and get 25 years but scam thousands of people including the government for millions/billions and get 2 months if any at all. Why would I care about a rich kid when the rich only care about themselves. Sure, it’s sad for the kid he got pushed into something completely stupid and dangerous and had to pay for it with his life. At the same time we as the west are still supporting genocide and other horrible war crimes, costing the lives of thousands of children while people protesting this are treated as terrorists and criminals. It’s just a matter of perspective. Most rich kids end up not paying taxes like their parents and getting richer at the cost of others. So when a rich kid dies, I’m not going to care more than when anyone else dies. Especially when it happens by something so dumb as the Titan “tragedy”.
its ok when rich kids die because there is a genocide going on
Go shock your dog hasan
Those rich people are demanding Trump to take away the health care from millions, so they can get a tax cut they don’t need, and won’t even notice. That kid would have been doing the same thing in 20 years, so I don’t feel bad for him or any of the rest of them. They paid a lot of money for an adventure that would give them bragging rights, and got a bigger adventure than they bargained for.
Be better
I think maybe the point about the Kid is being missed.
Yeah super rich. Yeah didn’t want to be there.
But to change things you need people with resources on your side. The young are significantly easier to do this with.
If we demonstrate that we have empathy for all of the vulnerable (as we should) those young ones can see the power of empathy.
Nah the young people are laughing about this as much as anyone else.
Yeah, no. Kids want to be cool and respected, making it clear billionaires are hated will do so much more to wake them up
And once a billionaire gives it all away to become just a normal person (with a few million in the bank as a safety net), we make them a hero
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Unfortunately it only had older still photos and videos, nothing from the last dive. Looks like they had the camera configured to send the data to the onboard computers and those were smashed into a soild mass, of which, no data was able to be recovered from.
I recommend this great video from Scott Manley on the NTSB report :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMUjCZ7MMWQ
He also has a previous video that is more speculative before the report but very interesting anyway.
Scientists were already able to recover footage of their final moments on the SD card
Fuck off
RIP. Tragic.
So tragic to see someone speak from beyond the grave…
I did not expect that
That sticker “pressure tested” on the camera housing is not lying
Tragic?
Yeah we should build a bigger submarine that fits more billionaires. But no kids this time.
There were kids in it…? Christ :(
Over 18, but still young enough to not be predestined to become like the other billionaires I guess.
and he didn’t want to go, or I’m mixing things?
His mom refused to go and tried to convince the dad to cancel the trip.
Yeah. One of the rich guys brought his son. Reported as “university aged” but still.
Over 18, but he was the only one that doesn’t want to be there. He was scared but didn’t want to disappoint his father. That poor kid and his mother. Can’t imagine how she must feel. This is why being a good parent takes more than resources. I would never want a relationship with my kids where they felt pressured into doing something just to make me happy. I’d hope I’d make different decisions as a father if I was in that situation. My son openly tells me about his hesitant feelings towards an objectively dangerous trip, I’m not making him go at the very least. And I’m probably not going myself because me and my son can do something else together.
Quote from his mother on giving up her seat to her son - BBC News:
“Then I stepped back and gave them space to set [Suleman] up, because he really wanted to go,” she said.
One was a kid, one was a person who spent a chunk of her life saving for a ticket.
Most of them were just regular people.
There were no women on the submersible.
No, the “kid” was 19
There’s probably an expensive helium mechanical drive somewhere down there that suddenly found itself to be considerably smaller than it started out.
They used 3 mini PCs with SSDs, which all of them were completely smashed and unrecoverable. the flash chips were all cracked or missing.
Why TF are resources being wasted on digging it up??
Idiocy.
There are REAL needs, in this world, & throwing MORE resources after that narcissist-machiavellian’s coffin isn’t justifiable.
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The article doesn’t make it clear (it could be better written) but my guess is that the card was actually found intact in the wreckage that they recovered back when the sub went down.
The various documentaries by Netflix, Nat Geo, etc. only came out a few months ago as the USCG investigation wrapped up. Those revealed new details, like that they had recovered personal belongings from the pockets of one or two of the victims. I don’t think those details were publicly known (or at least reported on) until the documentaries came out. This is likely just a similar case of more evidence coming to light.
I’ve watched a couple of them and the National Geographic one was brutal. They have the footage of the comms room on the tender and you can hear the implosion.
A lot of footage of the USCG hearings and the sheer amount of arrogance and stupidity is incredible.
Yeah I remember that scene in the Nat Geo one. Hearing that sound was truly surreal. I think it was Rush’s wife working the radio. I wonder how long it took her and the others to truly comprehend what it was they had just heard…
