…but they hide so well

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    Reminds of how some self professed “anarchists” insist on capital punishment, like an unwitting opposame, to, e.g. nazis, not realising/admitting what they’re really engaged in is another form of malarchy, not anarchy. Reminder, malarchism is not anarchism.

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    Why the death penalty?

    Suspected Nazis should be given community service to work in soup kitchens, clean graffiti and pickup trash and such in majority black and brown neighborhoods.

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      The thing is that you better ensure they don’t work or meet up with other nazis in that meantime, otherwise they might reinforce their stupid aryan bubble

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        I mean, yes and no. I live where gang tags and random acts of vandalism are rather a frequent occurrence so when I say graffiti removal, I’m thinking that. Things like that only work to harm our neighborhood, defacing our storefronts and public transit and making people feel less safe in their community.

        But yes, some forms of graffiti are expression and art. Nazis would take pleasure in removing that we aren’t for that, of course.

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        I have faith that it’s possible to reform at least some of them, even if it’s not everyone

        A lot of what gets people into these beliefs is environmental factors and the beliefs of those around them

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    Really hate to be the shithead here but there were a lot of people without Nazi tattoos who were goaded into voting for Nazis because they got accused of shit preemptively. And the Nazis were just glad to welcome them aboard.

    Yes I still blame them but also maybe we should examine that impulse a little.

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      It’s my understanding that the Nazi party was in fact not voted into power. It was a hostile takeover.

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        Somewhat? The murders of political rivals were violent and the following holocaust but most things leading up to those largely happened with the German people’s consent, which fascistic governments are effective at gaining.

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        It was pretty hostile but there was a lot of democratic process and the key thing was the ratcheting up over a good 10 years before they really went for power. They would take small pieces of power and grow their control incrementally until they had too much momentum for any other group to deal with them. Also some groups thought they could use them to their advantage and reign them in when things were sorted. They were getting the highest votes but it was a mixture of a lot of things and they pretty quickly stopped being democratic votes after the first few elections. Lots of propaganda, a large amount of coercion at least initially, some blindness and unforeseen consequences but a decent portion of the population supported the whole thing. At least that’s my understanding.

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      Everyone in the PRC supports the CCP.

      It’s because the ruling party is so good that everyone loves them unconditionally, of course.

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    The USAian view again:

    • you don’t agree with me? you must be an enemy
    • enemies have to die

    Can’t be anything other than extreme. Absolutely everything is is black and what, right or wrong. You’re absolutely right or you’re absolutely wrong. There’s no in between. Trying to find a middle ground means you’re not agreeing with me --> you’re a nazi/communist/liberal/tankie.

    USAians man…

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      I’m not American and what you’re saying doesn’t make sense anyway. The US enables free speech to the point of self-destruction. Trump is in the White House now, not in prison, precisely for that reason.

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          This paradox was articulated by philosopher Karl Popper in The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945),[1] where he argued that a truly tolerant society must retain the right to execute those who promote intolerance.

          At least, that’s what the op apparently read.

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            You intentionally misquoted. You wrote:

            where he argued that a truly tolerant society must retain the right to execute those who promote intolerance.

            But the real quote is:

            where he argued that a truly tolerant society must retain the right to deny tolerance to those who promote intolerance.

            Why did you do this?

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                I suggest making edit obvious to those reading who don’t know the original source. Something like:

                where he argued that a truly tolerant society must retain the right to deny tolerance to the right to execute those who promote intolerance.

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      Perhaps death is too far but name, shame, and ridicule until they stop speaking Nazi rhetoric, until they are afraid to spread their opinions. The world fought a war about this and we all agree the idea of massacring millions for their religious views is a bad thing. I’m looking at you Israel, just because your peoples were victims once doesn’t mean you cant turn around and become the evil you once feared. As a society we must deny tolerance to those who would take advantage of said tolerance and promote intolerance

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        The world fought a war about this and we all agree the idea of massacring millions for their religious views is a bad thing

        That was not what WW2 was fought about at all.

        The Jews weren’t killed in the Holocaust for their religious views, but for their ethnicity. An atheist communist with one Jewish parent went to the gas chambers and shooting pits just like the pious Jew in traditional dress.

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      Nazi: I want to create an ethnostate and genocide the people I consider inferior.

      Anti-nazi: Well then I’ll kill you to prevent you from doing that.

      You for some reason: both these positions are equally bad.

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          Not a tankie, try again.

          So the partisans who killed Mussolini are supposedly just as bad as Mussolini and Georg Elser just as bad as Hitler, or what? /s

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            No, they were rightly fought because they had active roles in the mass murder of millions of innocent people. Your argument is a strawman; the post is advocating for the murder of people based on their views, not theit actions.

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      Nah, the OP is one step ahead and wants to execute people for holding tattoos.