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The rhetoric in here…
People, third parties will kill your chances. That is a fact. This is true in all first past the post/winner takes all systems, but especially the US one where the parties can just sandbag each other and do nothing, meaning the conservatives win.
Secondly, you may like to make some guillotine memes, but lets be real. You’re not that guy. You aren’t planning some secret spec ops assassination of the crew behind trump. You didn’t do it for any of the lead up, and you won’t do it now.
Thirdly, if your progressive sweetheart (and believe me, I’d prefer them too), got into the white house, you very same people would quickly get angry at them and say they aren’t doing enough because you completely fail to understand your own system and this very next point.
If you actually want to see a turn around, it will be long, boring, slow and unfun. You will not get big results in 1, 2, or even 3 terms. It doesn’t work that way.
You not only have to keep democrats winning, but also have to slowly flip enough seats to progressive politicians within said party that they significantly change the parties voting patterns and leadership. Its not just that either, you have to get enough of the population to vote for people, a lot of whom you will hate, that they get a super majority in the senate, at the same time as they have a simple majority in the house, and at the same time as they have a president. Only when all 3 of those things happen simultaneously could you possibly even hope to have the types of changes we all want to see implemented implemented.
There is no other way within this system. Its built to be slow and has more inertia than you can imagine. You’re not about to uproot that system, so you have to understand it, even if you don’t like it.
If you actually want to see a turn around, it will be long, boring, slow and unfun
What a stupid world.
Gavin Newsom is not the answer to Donald Trump. He’s a lackey to big corporations.
AOC on the other hand
Hahahahahaha
Until we get rid of capitalism nothing will change.
So do nothing at all? Smart.
Right, do nothing for incremental change, it’s all or nothing and don’t try.
Maybe read reform or revolution. It’s an easy read.
You mean totally fine with genocide in Palestine if that’s what her handlers tell her AOC? That one?
She’s divisive enough to divide the democrat party again and let another ahitlick fascist like this through.
Like I cannot harp enough on super callous fascist sexist nazi POTUS, but if Hillary had sat the fuck down in 2016 we would’ve never had this goddamn problem. Shame on the entire DNC for letting it happen and shutting out Bernie, but Hillary had the personal power to let it happen and refused.
You won’t have free elections anymore, so all these conjectures aren’t even in question.
Goddamn costume ball while the Titanic sinks.
Best wishes to Gamers Nexus, he definitely deserves to be president.
Last thing I need is for politics to become the GN v. LMG rivalry. Steve would be a good president if I hear one more “he should have just talked to Linus” I’m gonna lose my mind.
LMG
Light Machine Gun?
Linus media group. It’s a whole thing for nerds lol.
That’s how I know anyway.
Is it for needs?
Or more like occasional enthusiast-adjacent folk (a bit more towards pop)?(I’m actually asking, never really followed anything they do, but all the headlines I saw seemed very much like “watch it for fun, not info” type of deals.)
I am aware they are fairly giant (revenue) for what they do tho.
You’re talking about nerds.
When the 2nd worst person attacks the 1st…
But Gavin… While the country was under stay-at-home and isolate orders during COVID, you hosted a party.
What the hell is a Great Gatsby party? A 1920s themed party?
No blacks.
And a green strobe light
I recommend you read the book, old sport. I think you’ll find it… Enlightening.
Gavin Compromised Newsom
Canwe please promote a better candidate?
Well, we could promote AOC.
Except centrists are saying women can’t win. Because they’re willing to hold back all women to prevent AOC in particular from running.
centrists are saying women can’t win
Strange that they didn’t see this about the first two women candidates
No, people keep saying shitheads like Kamala can’t win because her platform was the fucking same as 2004 George W Bush.
People keep saying that because it’s true. Centrists who don’t want AOC to be able to run have pretended to take a different lesson. Once which conveniently means that AOC wouldn’t be able to run.
Yes, women can’t do the thing they do everywhere else in the world.
Do you even have one?
How about 40% of the population?
Do we even have one? I suspect we don’t 🫠
If somebody has an idea I’m all ears.
Rent one from Europe.
Edit: that would be a fun way to drive MAGA insane IMO.
Absolutely insane that America has been taught to demand all the worst parts of certain communist ideology without any possible benefit under the guise of protectionism just so a bunch of white me can don’t have to confront the fact they have no personality or empathy and money doesn’t fill that hole
demand all the worst parts of certain communist ideology
Public health care, education, and modern mass transit?
just so a bunch of white me can don’t have to confront the fact they have no personality or empathy and money doesn’t fill that hole
Goes a bit deeper. This isn’t simply ego driven, it’s a historically manifest class conflict dating back centuries.
It isn’t limited to “White men”, either. You’ll find the class conflict echoing from El Salvador to the Philippines to Indian to Israel.
wordt parts of certain communist ideology
Oh no, I was talking about the “silent majority” wanting a leader who sells simple answers to complex problems, a national identity on the basis of a previous “great era” and bloodline as well as millions dying in famine
And I know leaders like Pol Pot and Mao haven’t been trying to save white men. It just seems in America’s case, that the main demographic that the right wing is chasing is a bunch of white men who love acting as victims in terms of having no spouse, job or hobbies.
Can we not be promoting this guy?
This is a distraction from better candidates.
Which are? AOC? Americans will vote for smart young latina woman? If I know anything about americans, they will gouge their eyes with a rusty spoon before they do that.
Who else do you have?AOC would take a steaming hot dump on fucking gavin newsom because she’s not part of the establishment.
Stop selling yourself out and giving up before a battle even begins. You’re going to make me sit out another election.
No one made you sit out, you chose to help Trump get elected.
You’re a moron and your rhetoric is going to cost the democrats another election.
Keep repeating the same mistakes expecting different results. It’s what the people taking advantage of you want.
Lol
Nah. I place 98% of the blame on Republicunts for the state of the country currently.
I place the other 2% on non-voters. You helped us get here.
Well, you can do something about it.
Start supporting better candidates and encourage others to do the same.
Once we nominate a candidate that actually cares about the working class, then we can stop having this discussion and focus on solving real problems.
Why don’t you do something other than not vote.
Haven’t you learnt anything from your past losses?
Such as that the news cycles hype people like gavin who go on to lose the presidential election?
Yes, that’s why we should stop simping for the establishment.
It’s absolutely pathetic watching you guys line up to sell yourselves out years before the election.
If you want newsom, it’s clear you haven’t.
If Newsom wins he picks the DNC chair and he’ll pick someone solidly in the oligarchs pocket.
Don’t forget he started 2025 off by having Kirk and Bannon on his podcast and sucking them off about how smart they are and how they’re right on “social issues” like if LGBTQ people should be allowed to exist in society…
It’s fucking dissapointing that people keep eating out of his hand for social media posts an intern is posting.
It’s satisfying to see someone give Trump a taste of his own medicine.
I know Newsome isn’t on my side but I can still enjoy watching him give Trump a black eye.
You say that as if he isn’t also using Trump’s tactics on us too.
The populist appeal is a poison you take to hurt your enemies.
It would be so satisfying to see…
Gavin (successfully) tear down Trump…
Hype himself up for a presidential run…
And get primaried by someone who actually gives a shit about the working class.
Stop it I’m in public and its embarrassing to get this aroussd looking at my phone.
And get primaried by someone who actually gives a shit about the working class.
He 100% will, and if say it’s a safe bet he pulls a Cuomo and goes independent.
He already tried to pivot to maga once, “attacking” trump is the back.plan, but he’ll gladly work with trump after losing the Dem primary like RFK did and Cuomo is now.
But it’s not even him…
It’s an intern, maybe someone Cali’s tax dollars are actually paying…
To shit post on a social media platform owned by Elon Musk, generating him profit while sucking up oxygen in people’s limited amount of fucks to give while their personal lives are in shambles.
He isn’t “fighting” trump, they’re working in concert at the behalf of the same oligarchs to ensure that no matter what letter wins, the wealthy never lose.
They’re doing it this early, because the current DNC chair isn’t just a supporter of Mamdani, but he’s been backing Omar Fateh for over a year, starting back when he was state chair over there.
We can get into the details of you want, but it’s vitally important we don’t let the oligarchs name both party’s candidates. And this is literally the best chance we’ve had in about 50 years of Dem voters solidifying control of the DNC again.
Like, this has been a fight since before Carter was prez. If we settle for a neoliberal they get the party and they will immediately lock it down even tighter. The “victory fund” was incredibly close to just throwing the party out and letting the money call all the shots. A chair gets 4 years, we’ll lose all momentum like in Obama’s first term when he refused to nominate a chair.
Hey I’m all for a Socialist takeover of the Democratic party and I know we won’t have defeated fascism until we end The Duopoly. I’m just saying Trump has thin skin and I’m sure Gavin’s intern"s trolling is getting under it. Don’t worry - I know Newsom is a lizard person and would happily maintain the new status quo Trump is creating if given a chance.
Is he? Or is he just making you feel good by talking shit about Trump? It’s certainly doing nothing to change the position of power Trump is in right now.
Trump’s sitting pretty in his ballroom licking his own balls and worrying about what the next wannabe dictator is going to do to gain his favor. Not quaking in fear because some political rival is making commentary he doesn’t even care about.
I thought I heard a rumor Newsom is gay? Not that that precludes him being homophobic, of course
I would only support Gavin Newsom’s candidacy if he became homeless for a few years and demonstrated personal growth and a capacity for empathy from the experience.
spoiler
I’m exaggerating, but it’d take a lot for me to become convinced he is a suitable candidate in our dire situation.
Best he can do is Starting from Zero and becoming a millionaire in a year to show you anyone can do it (as long as they have a clean bill of health and a college education and connections from their time in office and…)
“See!? It’s easy, the American Dream™ is alive and well!”
As I recall, the one guy that tried to do that used personal connections he had made before “giving up all his wealth”, and he still couldn’t make it a year because it was affecting his health or something.
I’d settle for him not being a major shareholder for the power utility that he’s supposed to be protecting his citizens from. In completely unrelated news, we pay the highest energy prices on planet earth. What a coincidence.
Yeah I’m not convinced of Newsom either. Don’t think he’s really shown that he’s free of corporate interests and will fight for the working class.
Who else is running?
Gavin Newsom is free to earn my vote? I don’t see how your question is relevant - the election is years out.
“If those people wanted food to eat they should have earned it, otherwise it’s not my problem”
That makes about as much sense as shifting the conversation into terms of some politician having to “earn your vote” and otherwise it’s not your problem what happens.
If Gavin Newsom is running against Hitler, it’s kind of important to vote for Newsom, whether or not he has “earned your vote.”
If you want to know the non-toxic way of executing this approach, Ralph Nader has written an excellent book about how to put pressure on people in power and what he believes is the way forward out of the horror we find in our current political system (even predating the current horror). Basically, you pressure them to adopt specific policies by forming up into a bloc with other voters and refusing to vote unless some specific policy change you want to see happens. The advantages this has over staying home and saying “they haven’t earned it” include:
- It is visible to the politicians
- It is coordinated in a way that’s credible
- It is productive of positive change instead of making things even worse
There are a lot of other things in addition obviously, but if you’re going to “protest vote,” that is the way I would recommend to do it.
I’d literaly rather vote for Hitler than Trump.
At least Hitler cared about the environment, right? Even if he thought it should only be preserved for Aryans to enjoy.
From my perspective (and without reading the book), what Ralph Nader is advocating for isn’t enough in the present day.
Clearly, the change we need in America is systemic - getting an establishment neoliberal (who is likely to run as a moderate) to budge on specific policy changes is insufficient action to change our trajectory as a country.
I believe that it is in the spirit of democracy to encourage others to vote however they want to - that includes forming voting blocs and doing exactly what you are shedding light to.
I feel that in a democracy, it is desirable for candidates to actively be making attempts to appeal to potential voters and actively attempting to represent their interests; instead of running on effectively maintaining the broken status quo - with minor changes.
From my perspective (and without reading the book), Ralph Nader is promoting very ineffectual action.
His group basically created the Freedom of Information Act, Clean Water Act, OSHA, Whistleblower Protection Act, among other things.
Is that enough? Fuck no, you’re right about that. But I feel like if we had a few hundred people doing that level of change, we would actually be able to do some of these things like getting money out of politics that are actually what’s needed.
getting an establishment neoliberal (who is likely to run as a moderate) to budge on specific policy changes is frankly insufficient action to change our trajectory as a country.
Okay. I mean, I completely agree with that statement, sure. Is refusing to vote for that same neoliberal sufficient action to change our trajectory as a country? Seems like that is even more ineffectual, if that’s the metric.
His group basically created the Freedom of Information Act, Clean Water Act, OSHA, Whistleblower Protection Act, among other things.
Which are all unfortunately not quite as effective in practice as they were intended to be, but you make a valid point regardless. These things are obviously desirable developments and are effectual - hence my edit to the part you quoted before I saw your response (ineffectual -> what Ralph Nader is advocating for isn’t enough in the present day).
But I feel like if we had a few hundred people doing that level of change, we would actually be able to do some of these things like getting money out of politics that are actually what’s needed.
I’d like to see that happen and I would appreciate the strategy and organization of such grassroots initiatives.
Is refusing to vote for that same neoliberal sufficient action to change our trajectory as a country? Seems like that is even more ineffectual, if that’s the metric.
I think it’s desirable that candidates be pressured to really dig deep to be the leader we need and run on that - especially years out from an election.
I feel that lesser evil rhetoric is undesirable, unnecessary, and is part of the reason why we have the gun to our heads. Vote for the status quo or something very close to it - or get Hitler. It doesn’t feel like democracy to me.
As the other commenter suggested, state-level electoral reform in blue states (such as California) could be enacted so voters are free to vote for whoever they want without spoiling. It’d be a massive step in the right direction and it’d likely get more people to turn out to the voting booths.
Is refusing to vote for that same neoliberal sufficient action to change our trajectory as a country? Seems like that is even more ineffectual, if that’s the metric.
I think it’s desirable that candidates be pressured to really dig deep to be the leader we need and run on that - especially years out from an election.
Yes. That’s why I specifically proposed a way of doing it that might be effective. No idea why you are lecturing me about how important it is.
I feel that lesser evil rhetoric is undesirable, unnecessary, and is part of the reason why we have the gun to our heads.
I feel that “lesser evil isn’t a valid argument” rhetoric is part of how we got ourselves in the current screaming disaster, honestly.
How someone could be living in the year of our lord 2025 and still be out here going “OH LET’S NOT HEAR THAT TIRED OLD CHESTNUT OF ‘LESSER EVIL’” is beyond me…
Obviously a better candidate would be better, but by the time the general election arrives you only get three choices.
- A neoliberal who won’t do enough to actually fix systemic problems and will continue to pamper the corporate class at the expense of the rest of us.
- A Fascist who will do the above while also actively pushing authoritarian policy, actively seek to villainize the most vulnerable among us, and actively try to normalize putting anyone who disagrees in concentration camps.
- Any vote for neither of the above that has no chance of actually winning the election and is as effective at enacting change as not voting at all.
Right now is absolutely the time to try to push forward the better candidate. Uplift the better option than the neoliberal, get active in the primary campaign, be heard now, because if you wait until the general election it’s too late. Our goal should be to replace the neoliberal on the big ticket. I do not like Gavin Newsome, I do not want him to be president. He has shown his true colors more than a few times. If it comes down to it, though, I’ll vote for whoever isn’t part of the MAGA-Nazi authoritarian regime, because if you don’t pick the lesser evil, you get the greater evil, and they sure as shit won’t be better than the one that just wasn’t good enough.
I’m sure there are a lot of people right now holding their heads up in pride about how they voted for whatever third party option would have been better than Harris, but their pride and conviction to their ideals doesn’t help the people being rounded up by the secret police and sent to the camps. We can’t always fix everything all at once, but that’s no excuse to allow the most egregious evil to run rampant until the perfect solution comes along.
I’m not blaming voters for having a red line on genocide in the 2024 election. Kamala Harris was free to respond to those concerns. I don’t think anybody besides MAGA was happy about what happened during and after the 2024 election.
In our current system, we need to hold candidates and our elected officials accountable for not pushing electoral reform - even on the state-level. How many more decades before it’s on the table? I believe we need a voting system that does not have spoilers.
The blame game that arises every time Democrats lose after not trying to win the election has gotten stale. Voters are not solely responsible for candidates not representing them and choosing to represent corporations over everyone else.
If Gavin Newsom is running against Hitler, it’s kind of important to vote for Newsom, whether or not he has “earned your vote.”
Your country would vote for Hitler, if he said the right things. That’s what he did to gain power in Germany.
This “we’re desperate, just vote for my candidate, nothing matters, it’s the only option we got” is how they do politics in authoritarian countries. And the candidate turns out to be a controlled opposition, destined to lose.
People need do more than the NPC in a RPG saying “just vote” and be done with their responsibility.
Also, spare us the sanctimonious bullcrap. This isn’t reddit.
“Just vote” is kind of an election day strategy.
The whole part where the actual work happens to put a decent person on the ballot instead of corporate drone n+1 is right now!
If you feel the need to disagree or lecture against the idea of voting against Hitler in an election, I’m not sure what to tell you lol
If you feel the need to run an uninspiring candidate against a fascist that inspires his base, you’re not giving your all against fascism. Bring in someone who can inspire voters, rather than “second worst by as narrow a margin as we think we can get away with.”
Or admit that you would prefer second worst even if it means losing to hitler.
If you feel the need to run an uninspiring candidate against a fascist that inspires his base, you’re not giving your all against fascism. Bring in someone who can inspire voters, rather than “second worst by as narrow a margin as we think we can get away with.”
Yeah, true that. I don’t even like Gavin Newsom, that’s why I was offering a more credible way to pressure him to be better on particular issues if we do wind up in that awful situation where it’s Newsom vs. JD Vance or some stupid decision like that.
Or admit that you would prefer second worst even if it means losing to hitler.
I like how a particular type of commenter likes to make up total nonsense that no one is saying, and then throws down a challenge to “admit that” instead of… IDK, more or less any other way of engaging lol.
Any comments on Cumo running as a spoiler candidate to the democratic primary winner in the NYC mayoral race?
There is time to implement electoral reform in blue states so people are free to vote how they want. Why arent the democrats making this a priority?
After all, every election since before I was born in have heard blue conservatives drone on and on about the spoiler effect and 3rd parties. Yet they refused to fix the problem, even in states fully under their control.
Pass electoral reform in blue states, let there be a competition on who can beat the Republicans the best. Enable the democracy democrats claim to support.
The democratic party is not more important then the United States of America.
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
Truly we deserve Donald Trump if democrats still prioritize their power over defeating the republicans. I hope you can figure this out before its to late.
Cuomo’s a sack of shit. NY Dem playas are the three-headed mutant extraterrestrial cousins of my local dems. All my homies support Mamdani.
That’s funny. My friend threw his vote away on Nader in 2000. Not that Scalia would have finished counting them.
Yeah. It was a different time. I think I traded votes with someone in a red state, so that I voted for Gore where it mattered and he got to vote for Nader to build up the total for Nader which was important to me.
It was a more innocent time TBH
I suppose, although watching the Lemmy youth piss away their votes makes me think we were just stupid and high. Of course we didn’t think the SCOTUS would stop democracy back then, or that everyone would let them.
I don’t think this country has the structural elements in its society to maintain democracy, honestly.
It is sad. I don’t know what to do.
So unless there is a perfect Democrat candidate you prefer letting Trump have his third term?
At this point in time, I feel it’d be healthy for us to be expressing what policies we’d like to see a candidate supporting instead of giving a moderate (with effectively no vision for a more desirable future) our support by default.
It isn’t a “purity test” to ask for better policies. But don’t worry, I’m sure most Americans will pick the candidate that is chosen for them.
These 20s sure do be roaring
Looks like the 1930s in the US …
Looks like they NAILED the racial discrimination part.
They SLAMed it.
