The southerners wouldn’t even survive a proper winter the north gets.
A lot of them won’t survive this summer.
On no anyway
I think you’re thinking of Europe lol
THE USA would not break apart like that. The red oblasts would suck Texas dry and the whole damn thing would end in a financial and economic calamity. The Blue States with their GDP would form a union and align it with Canada to create another “European Union.” A civil war would not worth a single American bone, just break it apart like the Czechs and Slovaks, peacefully.
Think of the exodus from the US to Canada. Most people in the USA, 99%, just want their ordinary life.
Stay the fuck out. We don’t want cowards who’d sooner run than fight nazis.
Odds are good you’re much closer to D.C. than I am, get to work hero!
As of now, you’re still enabling Hitler and sitting at the table with Nazis.
Yep, get defensive and belligerent rather than look at yourself. Very on-brand.
Based on behaviour to date do you seriously think the MAGAts will allow a peaceful split ?
The group who rolled the military into blue states on a bullshit pretext are going to let their cash cow go free ?
I don’t think so Tim.
They don’t really have a choice.
They will be slaughtered, Billy.
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- Defender has the advantage.
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- They can’t match nuclear, army or navy capability (especially navy)
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- They can’t match people.
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- They can’t match money.
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- They can’t match manufacturing.
The only advantage they have is “Jesus”, which, as we all know, is actually a disadvantage (though they are blissfully unaware).
Al, not Billy. Al Borland was the “Home Improvement” sidekick with the catchphrase “I don’t think so Tim”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d5zhv2TDag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Improvement_(TV_series)
Well, I think you’re wrong, but I hope you’re right. Quite frankly I’d like to see the MAGAts sorted in the way the Confederates ***should ***have been sorted.
However I don’t think your equation adds up. You have a base assumption in there that the US military will swap or schism to support the blue states and I don’t think it’s going to work out that way. Militaries dont easily or lightly turn against their leadership - not even ones as badly treated as the Russians (and the US military are a thousand percent better treated than the Russians), and if you walk into any military base it’s Fox News you’ll see on every TV not CBS or ABC. The military has always primarily voted rightwing and heavily did so at the last election iirc. There are certainly veterans who are anti trump but that doesn’t make them the majority.
My opinion is there will be some rebellion which will be quickly put down.
Can’t prove it either way, neither of us can. So I think your version is hopium, but I hope you’re right.
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The biggest nuke bases are in the north. Albeit in the reddest states. But, that’s a pretty big deterrent.
West Virginia exists because they didn’t want to be apart of that bullshit, though I suspect they’ve lost their way in the last couple of generations.
I was going to say as much. WV flipped hard in 2000. But it’s simple to understand - WV has always been pretty socially conservative, but was Dem because of the unions. They flipped because the Dems decided to turn on the biggest union industries in the state. The coal miner’s union isn’t a good base for your power when you’re overtly talking about actively working to destroy the coal mining industry. To be clear about how much WV cares about coal, it’s the state rock and there’s a coal miner on the state seal. The libertarian bent of a lot of GOP doesn’t hurt either, Montani Semper Liberi and all.
Democrats didn’t “turn on” coal, they recognized that it was a collapsing industry doing immeasurable damage to the environment and it would inevitably be phased out. The union failed to account for the future and threw a tantrum about it rather than negotiate re-training or any kind of transition plan.
Not only that but the government offered retraining programs for people who lost/were going to lose their jobs due to a decline in coal. From the outside the “my pa was a coal miner, I’m a coal miner, and my son will be a coal miner” attitude made a lot of those programs not as effective as they should have been.
So they turned on coal. It is out of fashion purely because of political pressure. There’s still a ton of coal in the ground and many people don’t believe that carbon dioxide does anything but make plants grow faster. We’re talking about a gas that is .0004 in our atmosphere. The climate predictions are always wrong. The science is not settled, modern coal plants are very clean, and it is an affordable energy source.
The science is very much settled, if anything the global warming predictions weren’t alarmist enough, but I shan’t waste my time and energy trying to change your mind.
Huh, maybe you’re thinking of different predictions. None of the ones I’m thinking of came true at all. We still have ice at the poles. Florida isn’t underwater. Not that the wind patterns aren’t shifting, and yes some places are a little hotter. But not so much hotter if you remove the adjustment they did to the historical data. Where I live, although it is hot this week, the temperatures aren’t abnormal and our last fifteen years have been below average temps.
While unfortunate, it’s not like keeping coal is even remotely viable. So it was kinda inevitable.
Last time I drove through WV, there were confederate flags on a lot of porches.
I remember when I got my CDL and started driving OTR. I got my license about 4 months before Covid locked everything down. Once the lockdowns started it was kind of surreal. Ontario was empty. NY, Pennsylvania, Maryland and Washington, the highways were so quiet.
And then I crossed into Virginia. It was like driving through a portal. Cars and trucks everywhere. It looked like it was Black Friday sales. NO ONE gave two flying fucks about the international reality.
It really solidified my opinion on how utterly stupid Americans as a population are.
I’d have stayed home but nobody was paying my bills for me during it.
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A civil ar in the us wouldn’t look like the last. There is no front lines, it would be more similar to Rawanda. One side has been nice enough to fly a flag to let us know where they are. Pay attention
They would try to take Atlanta and then their loss would have them running for the hills.
And Syria and the Balkan civil wars
Well 1 has most of the nukes, money, and food, as well as a really strong natural barrier. And 3 already beat 2 for reasons that remain relevant. So yeah. 1 and 3 ally to curbstomp 2.
1 is upwind, which matters a lot for Ukraine
lol how are you holding onto the nukes, money and food?
You guys can’t even fight back from the comfort of your fucking computer chairs. Get fucking real. The first sign of confrontation, everybody is just going to try to migrate out.
just keep drinking your lead water buddy…
Do you have any reason to think otherwise?
Well considering they know they have all those things they would be secure knowing they aren’t worse off compared to the south,
2 lost to 3 last time,
2’s states don’t actually provide the most soldiers, especially if 1 and 3 group up on you.
Texas has a decent likelihood of actually telling 2 to go Fuck themselves and doing it’s own thing as a 4th faction if it thinks it can become trading partners with 1 and 3 or just might free ball it like they’ve always go on about,
Florida would lose a lot of its appeal of being apart of the objectively worst section of this brake up and lose a lot of its power and would no longer be a playground for the rich, or worse, they just end up under they’re control.
either 1 or 3 could ask Canada for help (though they would likely want to keep the states broken up for a while.)
2s state leadership doesn’t take care for its inferstructure, hence me telling you to go drink lead water.
most of 2s states actually lose money, not make it. you can see this in there tax to rebates ratios, which will take a hit.
Plus all the obvious fall out from braking apart and having the awful reputation no 2 has, people will likely not side with you diplomatically.
And these are just the obvious ones, I’m sure there are more I not thinking or know about.
If they were capable of learning from their mistakes they wouldn’t be conservatives. Doesn’t speak highly of the democrats though being unable to unseat most of them.
The Jan. 6 rioters were small business owners…but there is only so much that they can do if they teamed up for civil war. They would team up with Billionaires to kick the balls in of blue collar workers. The war would destroy state/federal institutions that license workers like nurses and doctors.
Essentially this war is about the Karens fighting to run an HVAC business with unlicensed workers. Eventually the licensed workers would be divided between those that can stand up to the mean Karens of he world vs. those that can’t. Doctors, machinist, would eventually be paid by the state an o.k. wage, while HVAC and such would be run by gangsters. See Venezuela, Iran and old Chile.Essentially this war is about the Karens fighting to run an HVAC business with unlicensed workers.
“Unlicensed workers”. Their final goal is enslavement or death of anyone who opposes them. Always has been, always will be.
Unfortunately, I think they won in the long run
The south will rise again…to get their welfare checks?
Not sure who is winning in this scenario.
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Blacks have five times the incarceration rate than whites on average. This is not just in the red states either. Even the most progressive states have two times the incarceration rate for blacks.
Yeah, any amount of detail collapses this pre-school division. Drawing lines at State borders simplifies to the extreme how mixed up the political preferences really are. Just because its a Red district doesn’t mean they all vote red, and vice-versa, etc, etc…
The meme is a good example of rage-tainment. Everybody gets their 5 minutes of rage no matter whose side they’re on with this meme, and not a damn thing is added to the collective understanding. While we all get robbed and crushed.
Yeah, still at least in progressive states it’s an improvement but not prefect. At least the progressive states are trying to be better
Well here is the thing though. When I looked at the data the highest per capita was Wisconsin. Another high outlier was Michigan because of Detroit.
So it really is a mixed bag. I think this is why university professors talk about things like systemic racism.
It’s because they have fewer limits on what they are willing to do.
Adorable; I’m betting on one, as a god fearing Westerner. Southies talk big shit, but even their shooters are gravy seals. Coincidentally, did y’all know a majority of the Armed forces are recruited West of the Mississippi? Food for thought.
The likely scenario would be NY and CA joining other coastal states and Chicago, and the red states glomming on to Texas and Florida, the major GDP centers of each “base.” It’d be interesting to see what would happen economically there, since the red states overwhelmingly (ironically) use so much more welfare and social support programs. No judgement, I believe in social programs
No judgement, I believe in social programs
I don’t normally judge, but I do when people pull up the ladder.
Russia in the 1990s, Haiti, Somali, large occasional power outages. Things go on… Cities are so large that they still somewhat go on functioning; education, hospitals, public transport, local shops. Because what is there to do otherwise? Small bands of armed bandits cause most of the problems, but that never last too long, killing each other. Small regions that break off suffer the most, as resources in those locations get scarce, they get overrun constantly with armed bandits. Small communities start to protect themselves, eventually successfully, and work to re-establish relations with the larger cities.
Most people that can. leave. Wars then go on based on funding from outside interests.Unfortunately 2 would win because they would have the backing of the entire fucking United States military with kegsbreath in control
They would view 1 and 3 as the traitors to the fascist Republic
Pretty hard to pay your army with welfare states. Also note CA has the most enlisted out of any state and would likely receive a lot of backing from Asian militaries.
Shit well that goes beyond civil war then If you’re including other countries now
I mean even in the previous US civil war, Confederate ships when built in Great Britain, France fought proxy battles for the south through commerce and diplomacy, Mexico transported supplies to the south for France. Russia sent Navy ships that were to engage if Britain or France sent ships. Like, other countries absolutely get involved in civil wars one way or another.
Fortunately, they don’t have the backing of the entire fucking United States military, as many tens of thousands in the military are from 1 and 3, and they will protect their families.
That’s true. At that point honor to rank and superiors goes out the window
The dog catching the car…what do you do with something like NYC. Even if you win? Where do the new doctors graduate from? Nurses? Who certifies them? Same with electricians, carpenters, gasfitters, HVAC and plumbers? Those blue collar jobs would have their professional credentials destroyed, and be forced to compete with every general contractor… a race to the bottom. Sophisticated technology would stop operating after awhile, and with the loss of the supply chain and licenses/regulated manufacturing facilities nothing in the U.S.A. of substance would be built. Only those in the army would be paid. Essentially you’d get N. Korea, fascist Spain, Venezuela or an Iran, like country. Mass migration out.
Nah, historically militaries are loyal to the person signing their checks. Pretty much every state in the south but Texas is economically destitute. Private corporations would turn on the south so fast it’d snap their necks. No company would choose the market of 2 over 1 or 3, let alone both of them. California alone has enough buying power to shape regulation that’s stricter than the fed.
2 things:
- why are Hawaii and Alaska in group #3
- this dude does not understand wars. The south would loose for the same reason they did last time. They have no infrastructure and they can’t read.
3 because of Alaska and Hawaii
I’m thinking that the Mormons in Utah would win. Isolated enough that what happens elsewhere won’t be too much of a bother.
